Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

Agree. Ideally there would be two models - govt pays for med school and training with a lock in; or individual ponies up the cash and is free to follow the money. We can't have our cake and eat it.

22% is the bare minimum Jnr Doctors should be offered. Their salaries are dismal and compare very very badly with other European countries. It used to be a highly valued career like many others but the opportunities to supplement income privately really aren't there until they hit consultant level and the whole system is built on this carrot of consultancy building massive resentment as doctors spend a decade or more in no-mans land of "junior doctoring" . Even the name is insulting after a decade of work.

I am not a doctor, nor have anyone close to me. I find it telling that friends who are and have achieved the heady heights of consultancy are actively discouraging their children from following them into the profession.

What I would like to see is a proper review done with decent doctor and nursing input to see how we could improve how the NHS is run. I'd be pretty surprised if there isn't enough fat in the system to pay people properly and build new hospitals.

Yes I think the starting salary for a junior doctor is low, especially when compared to Nz and aus, and yes I think it is a difficult training track with all the uncertainty and moving around. But whenever you look at the pay rate remember to add a c23% employer pension contribution from the public purse (https://www.bma.org.uk/pay-and-contracts/pensions/additional-pensions-advice/nhs-pension-contribution-rates)

my dc are currently looking at careers and I have reminded them that they MUST look at the employer pension contributions when looking at the pay. When I started in a graduate role my employer pension contribution was 3%. My doctor friends all now have £1m + pension funds in their 40s and the moving around and unsociable shifts long behind them. This is the kind of big picture I’m trying to point out to my dc weighing up medicine.

They've already used the Rwanda charter flight to return people who don't belong here. No massive expense or new laws needed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-scheme-flights-deportation-vietnam-migrants-b2585708.html

Weird comparison. I’m a private sector worker and I’ve had a 10% plus pay increase ever year for the last seven years. I don’t begrudge anyone anything. If your private company isn’t paying you properly, start looking around.

Well, it’s a step in the right direction. Pensioners not on benefits won’t be getting winter fuel payments anymore, so that’s a good move too.

Ah okay. We are waiting to hear about the military but haven't seen any announcements yet.

Superworm24 yes nhs staff on agenda for change, and other sectors like teachers I believe.

Are you talking about nhs workers?

Well, why not go and be a doctor then? Of course you'll need to sacrifice 5+ years of your life to study one of the hardest and most competitive courses out there, provided you already have excellent academic qualifications and an impressive extracurricular resume in order to get onto the course to begin with. Or maybe you think that everyone should just get paid the same just for showing up?

Ffs people are so thick

They haven't had a 22% pay RISE - they've had pay cuts in real terms for years

@SauviGone glad you think so highly of us admin staff in the NHS

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I really can’t think of any employee public or private more important than a doctor. Private wages have increased whilst public have fallen behind.

What a nasty bitter comment. I mean they could alway move sectors if they want to. But the public sector has been screwed for 14 years. This is just catching up.

Junior doctors deserve better pay, so I’m glad to hear it’s starting to happen.
I’m afraid I don’t buy the line that pay needs to be improved further up the (senior practitioner) scale.
I’ve just seen two consultants at £350 per appointment (after refusing to pay £450 for another). They specialise as they become more senior.
I went to uni with many medics and they’re now all on great wages, great pensions and many are now only part time.

Good they deserve to be paid well

I don't think that report does disprove the idea that we can pay doctors more to improve the number of doctors we have? And it doesn't suggest anything about working part time really (although it does mention work life balance, which might be a proxy).

If you click through the report and look at table 5.1, 49% of all doctors surveyed (and 3/4 of the most discontented doctors) want to leave the UK so they can get a pay rise.

Nothing I imagine given that an agreement was reached already with Consultants.

Pharmacist cannot prescribe chemotherapy only doctors can. In fact only specialist oncology pharmacists are allowed to dispense a doctor's prescription for chemotherapy.

What a weird thing to say – other than minimum wage, the government have no say or control in private sector salaries.

Didimum yes this will apply to all agenda for change staff and be back dated to April

It will leave a bad taste in the mouth of private sector workers who earn far less than doctors and could never dream of a 22% pay rise.

Does the 5.5% apply to all the NHS staff on agenda of change contracts?

I completely agree IF government is going to pay fees for med students to train..a payback. However whilst students are taking out £45k tuition fee loans and a further £45k in maintainence loans, I doing think the government can ask that of them. If I was getting £90k in debt to train in a speciality, I would follow the money, as I’m sure most would.

Great news, it's a good step towards pay restoration. And it proves we finally have a Government capable of achieving something useful for the Country!

Absolutely. Pharmacists now prescribe a fair majority of chemotherapy for cancer patients and do not get the same kind of money that doctors do yet share a huge proportion of the responsibility. This is just one example of the workload that has migrated from the doctor's to the pharmacists. It is the same for nurses as well.

Well they need to join a union and get moving then.

Although I imagine other rises will be announced soon.