Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

Just to reiterate that it is not actually a 22% pay rise - it was 9% last year, onto which another 4% will be back paid. Then 9% pay rise this year. Not 22% up from last year’s pay or last month’s salary.
It is also not inflation linked so will go down again in real terms if another “pay rise” or uplift is not given next year at the rate of inflation. Obviously it will only be a true rise if it goes up above the rate of inflation.

Male doctors have a lower suicide rate than the general male population. Female doctors slightly higher - being a female nurse is a greater risk factor though. Middle aged men who are unemployed or in low skill,low pay occupations have the highest rates of suicide. This is based on data compiled by Prof Louis Appleby (himself a psychiatrist), lead for the National Suicide Prevention Strategy. It isn't helpful or appropriate to bring suicide into a discussion about pay. I say this a someone who lost a close family member (a doctor btw) to suicide.

It's shocking isn't it.

Good we need to rebuild the nhs. It was such a state under the Tory’s

Good news.

I don’t really think it can get much worse than it was.

Oh yes it can. Just watch it happen.

Its nonsense like this that has allowed medicine to fall to what it is now. Doctors are human. They need money to live and space to breathe

What higher taxes? What higher inflation? Maybe you should stop making stuff up.

It would really help if commentators such as this knew enough to have an opinion based on information, such as the technicalities or rules of GP contracting.

Exactly this.

@OonaStubbs so doctors should not have jobs, not be able to afford rent and be treated like utter crap. Oh and they don't take that oath anymore - read it and understand why.
Want a doctor ? Pay for one.

Alexandra2001
mmm only covers the employee cut not the employer or the 2nd cut...

Rachel Reeves supported the cuts to National Insurance at the time!

On the total cost, fullfact said the total net cost for a 35% rise was just over 1 billion

Total cost or per year? You will have to ask Darren Jones why he said the settlement would cost £8/£9 billion.

I think Doctors are breaking the Hippocratic oath, in spirit if not in fact.

What would have happened to Medicine if Hippocrates himself had gone on strike, or threatened to leave Ancient Greece for a payrise?

Good. Nurses and teachers next please.

We are losing doctors and nurses, going g to work abroad, shortfalls being filled by agencies who charge ££££.

Teachers are leaving in droves as well. I'd pay a small increase in tax to fund pay rises for these workers. Health and social carers as well.

Nope, nothing can top that bunch. Oh wait Fuehrer Farage is probably waiting in the wings to solve everything. Right….

How are we worse off ? Tories left the economy in an abysmal mess a month ago.
The markets bounced as soon as that thieving lot got voted out funnily enough.
I guess having no doctors, a burnt out nursing population or a non functioning NHS is far more preferable than paying a bit more in taxes. Typical British way.

Funny how a £21 billion cut in un funded NI cuts doesn't cause inflation but a £1billion pay rise will......

mmm only covers the employee cut not the employer or the 2nd cut....

On the total cost, fullfact said the total net cost for a 35% rise was just over 1 billion, with 75k Doctors, 10 billion seems a bit on the high side...... that would give them a £133k pay rise......

Come Clav, early days but surely you can better......

So far they've taken a grown up, sober approach. Long way to go but by appointing experts rather than shoehorning MPs into positions, they've got themselves off to a good start. The proof will be in the results. It would be foolish to judge them too much either way at this point. The Tories are going to spend months arguing amongst themselves so that'll help them.

It's the same deficit as under the Tories. The deficit hasn't shot up by £20 billion over the last month. Apologies if I've misunderstood your point.

The blogger links to an economist to prove his point - but the economist has a caveat in his explanation;

"The caveat is, of course, an increase in public expenditure could lead to inflation and public wages are one way public expenditure is increased, but the government could increase wages and cut other parts of the budget."

Labour can't solve every problem just by throwing money at it.

£20b bigger deficit in public finances says otherwise.

Don’t be ridiculous. Its not even a month of Labour in the office, there is no sign of doom or infrastructure projects cancellation. If anything it was Tories who underinvested into infrastructure across the board for 14 fucking years

Alexandra2001
Like i said, the net cost to the Government of this settlement is less than £1billion

Labour's Darren Jones (Chief Secretary to the Treasury) costed the settlement at £8/£9 billion on LBC 10 minutes ago. He didn't mention anything about the net cost.