Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

And you are moved during training wherever service provision is required. Tough if you're partner can't move, they don't care.

@uneffingbelievable 😂😂assume you do g know many F1s this year ? Lottery to where they ended up with many not even knowing where they will be for F2. No jobs yet.

GMC dies nothing for doctors but costs them £475 a year. For what ? PAs, who earn more, will only pay £200. Why ?

Hours ? Are you deranged ? Rotas often schedule 78 hours a week - no say in it, that's what you gave to do. Choice ? How ?

40 hours is the basic hours
Shifts/on-calls are not an option

mumsneedwine- pension correct you pay in as a doctor and some of that as you get more senior is topsliced to subsidise lower paid pensions.

No you do not have to move every year for training -FY1 and FY2 can be far part but most CT and SPR rotations are in a smaller location to allow commuting

Exams cost -always have, that is career progression

Most professions have a regulatory body whom people have to pay into - this is not a unique cost

Hours - most are not working more than 44 hrs per week-if you choose to do extra shifts then that is your choice.

It is a tough job but seriously conditions have improved and no it has not been a pay cut of 35%- very few peoples pay whatever the job has kept up with inflation

Errr, yes It was Sunak’s fault. He was the chancellor when almost £1 trillion of quantitative easing and borrowing happened within 2 short years.

That’s how inflations works. It doesn’t just happen by magic. There is always a series of events leading up to it. And it’s always the government of the day that causes it through incompetence and/or corruption.

Giving any group of people a 22% pay rise at a time when inflation has only just come down, through the public purse, and by borrowing money no less is stupid.

Doctors pay a hefty amount each month for that pension. It's not free. And they'll not get it until they are 67 (currently). Not much help
to a 23 year old trying to pay rent, who will have to move every year if lucky enough to get into training. Pay £000s to do exams that are compulsory, pay £000s in indemnity costs and £000s to the thoroughly useless GMC. £00s to just park at work.
Want a doctor, treat them better.

@Everanewbie most current F1s will never become consultants. There are not enough jobs.

They've been sorted by last govt

None of the one i know or have come into contact with, have had that attitude.
However, i do seem to remember that you have a unique way of rubbing them up the wrong way......

But the bottom line is many Doc's have left the NHS and we have had to try and import many from the developing world to replace them.

Applies equally to other HCPs too.

Cone off it, that’s a seriously disingenuous comparison. An experienced carpet fitter may earn more than the basic salary of an F1, but I don’t hear of many carpet fitters on the consultant starting salary of c.100k, or are members of excellent final salary pension schemes.

I do agree though that there are easier ways to earn money than becoming a Dr.

My son is desperate to be a Dr (he is 15) and absolutely everyone we have spoken to has said don't do it. Ridiculous hrs and rubbish pay for the cost it takes to become a Dr in the first place.

Carpet fitters earn more than Drs. (No offence to carpet fitters it's a skilled job). Family friend owns several flooring businesses and him and his employees make a lot more money than drs.

My son still wants to do it unfortunately but not for the money because it's his dream. Presumably most people need to pay the bills and student loans so the "dream" isn't enough.

My husband is a surgeon, he doesn't seem familiar with the many NHS surgeons saying this. Seems to be en vogue on mumsnet this week to spread rubbish about surgeons.

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They wouldn’t be wrong

You sound pretty insecure - most people who are secure in their self worth do not deny the importance of certain professions/jobs in society

@mm81736 as most doctors will repay over £250,000 of student debt I think they'd be very happy to have their loan written off in return for staying in the NHS. However currently the NHS doesn't have enough jobs for them - will you be sorting that too, so they can stay.

Doctors are important. And they deserve to be able to pay their rent. Not be paid less than before a pandemic during which they risked their lives to save your loved ones.

Want a doctor when you or your kids are ill. Then you'll need to pay for one.

They are. Thanks to their skills I’ve had a bonus 48 years of life and counting. I’m delighted to have a government that’s spending my money responsibly and sensibly at last.

They certainly think they are.

Good. Doctors are pretty important, don’t you think?

Doctors were totally opposed to the setting up of the NHS.

The NHS was only founded because there was an agreement that consultants could continue to offer private work outside of NHS commitments. Otherwise we would never have had the bill for The NHS go through in the first place. See if you can catch a showing of the wonderful Nye at your local cinema if it is still going. It explains the whole background to the NHS.l and explains why your idea is totally opposed to this.

So when Hunt/Sunak were in power, it was all their fault inflation went to over 11% ?

The costs to the treasury for this junior Doc's pay rise is v small and what would be your alternative to this and to the (more expensive) pay review body rises?
.... on going strikes, more staff shortages, longer waiting lists, worse staff moral... all ok by you.

People like you seem to be getting all hung up on a 22% pay rise, over 2 years, without even considering the alternatives but perhaps you ve PHI and don't consider anyone else?

If you don’t understand how fiscal policy and inflation are linked, look it up.

Spending borrowed money to pay for stuff leading to inflation. When has that ever happened before. Oh wait.

Good - they deserve it.

Well yes of course she can leave medicine, but if she wants to stay in, she needs to pass her exams.

Many junior doctors do indeed decide they don’t want to continue, and leave the profession or move overseas. Which is why we have a shortage.

I'm sure someone with the skills and qualifications to get through a medical degree won't struggle to find work. I have worked with more than one qualified doctor who decided not to practise.

If she doesn’t, she’ll be out of a job. That is quite incentivising for most people.