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DC’s teacher didn’t go to university.

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RabbitWedge · 28/07/2024 17:38

Two of my DC’s are at the same secondary private school. It’s a small private school, not a well known name, but costs a small fortune nonetheless. An interaction with one of my DC’s English teachers at the end of term has made me feel uncomfortable.

‘Mrs Jones’ has worked at the school for a number of years. She is a very well liked English teacher; the children love her and she’s given high praise on the parents WhatsApp group. At the end of term, I was having a casual chit chat with ‘Mrs Jones’ and the topic of university came up. I asked ‘Mrs Jones’ where she went to university, and she stated that she had not gone and didn’t have a degree. I must have looked very taken aback, as she quickly added that she had an impeccable educational record (apparently all A’s and A*’s), she’d been tutoring for a number of years and working as a TA, at which point the school promoted her to teach English. I didn’t ask for this explanation, but she perhaps felt the need to justify her teaching.

I was under the impression that all teachers had to have degrees at the very least, and whilst I don’t doubt her popularity and delivery of her English lessons, I am concerned. I was aware that teachers in the private system didn’t need to be qualified teachers, but to not even have attended university seems unsuitable.

Would you raise this with the school in my position?

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notbelieved · 19/09/2024 07:03

CurlewKate · 18/09/2024 20:00

@amigafan2003 "
Plenty of unqualified teachers in the state sector, especially in academies."

I would be very surprised if this was true.

Seriously? Academies are not bound by QTS in the same way as privates aren't. There have been unqualified teachers working in the state sector, albeit quietly, for years. Shortage subject areas in particular.

sashh · 19/09/2024 06:57

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 10:17

I am adopting a wait and see approach for now. So far my DC seems happy in her class and is learning. We will see their performance at the next progress evening and mock exams.

I was quite taken aback by how many parents were unbothered on this thread and also the revelation that there are many teachers who don’t hold degrees in the subjects they teach. I know teaching is an unpopular profession at present. To learn there are teachers in the state system (and quite possibly private system too) who may have a degree in maths for example, but who are having to teach maths, science, computing and all manner of subjects they aren’t qualified in surprised me.

My PGCE is in teaching computer science. I have never taught a paid for CS class in my life.

I did a lot of supply mainly teaching Health and Social care. When teaching HSC I was mainly teaching the anatomy and physiology unit.

But I had a career in cardiology before I got a degree. I did a part time BTEC and HNC while working for the NHS.

I also did the internal courses available.

Lots of people who teach HSC are nurses, some continuing to practise others not. Some have nursing degrees some don't because it wasn't a degree subject when they trained.

greengreyblue · 19/09/2024 06:31

Oh it definitely does judging by the quality of students we have coming for placements at my primary school.

wellington77 · 18/09/2024 20:52

Sartre · 18/09/2024 10:49

My Grandma was a primary school teacher for well over 30 years and she also didn’t go to university. It wasn’t a requirement back in the 60s, she went to a teacher training college instead. She was a wonderful and much loved teacher and did a fantastic job.

I don’t want to sound like a twat here but you only need a 2:2 to do most PGCEs so whilst the majority of teachers will have a degree, many probably have a lower second class which as a lecturer seeing the quality of work from 2:2 students… I won’t go on.

When I was applying to be a teacher 13 years ago ( I’m fully qualified and in the job now) for any of the top ten best universities for teaching qualifications the entry requirement was 2.1 or above. There isn’t tonnes universities who offer PGCE’s either. Also to get a job in a non shortage subject like mine ( History) I was told after I got my job that they chucked any applications out that stated they had a 2.2 or below. If you want to work in a good to outstanding school and are not in a shortage subject I can assure you a 2.2 doesn’t cut it.

Sunshine9218 · 18/09/2024 20:26

CurlewKate · 18/09/2024 20:00

@amigafan2003 "
Plenty of unqualified teachers in the state sector, especially in academies."

I would be very surprised if this was true.

Yes this happens. I've worked in them

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 20:10

CurlewKate · 18/09/2024 20:00

@amigafan2003 "
Plenty of unqualified teachers in the state sector, especially in academies."

I would be very surprised if this was true.

Nearly 18,000 non-trainee teachers in England don't hold a teaching qualification (a teaching qual is a requirement in Scotland) with this forecast to rise to 45,000 in the next five years or 10% of the total teaching profession.

To put some perspective in the issue, 44,000 teachers qualify each year but 6,000 of those quit within the first year. in addition to this 41,000 other teachers retire or leave the profession, resulting in a current 3,000 deficit in teachers each year. As I said, earlier, beggars can't be choosers so schools are employing non-qualified teachers.

Pythag · 18/09/2024 20:08

kiwiane · 18/09/2024 11:58

A fool and their money! I’m happy to keep the qualified teachers in the state sector.

Teachers don’t need a degree in the state sector either. Also, for the millionth time, why do you really care whether or not a teacher had a degree?

CurlewKate · 18/09/2024 20:00

@amigafan2003 "
Plenty of unqualified teachers in the state sector, especially in academies."

I would be very surprised if this was true.

Othergirlswereneverquitelikethis · 18/09/2024 19:51

What are you concerned about exactly? It isn’t the quality of her teaching as you’ve already said it’s good. And it isn’t that you’ve been mislead because she’s been open and transparent about it. From what you’ve said, whether or not she has a degree makes no difference to you, your DC or anyone else at the school. What would you be complaining about?

Cosyblankets · 18/09/2024 19:45

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

As long as you hold your daughter accountable as well. She has to put the work in too

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 19:40

kiwiane · 18/09/2024 11:58

A fool and their money! I’m happy to keep the qualified teachers in the state sector.

Plenty of unqualified teachers in the state sector, especially in academies.

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 19:35

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

She is properly qualified though.

And the state sector does employ people straight out of college.

Wife's primary school has hired a teacher with just a level 3 in child development. Beggars can't be choosers.

CurlewKate · 18/09/2024 19:10

My DS taught drama for a year at a well known private school. He was 20, and a non graduate. I realise that I'd not the same as maths- but I was a bit shocked!

Sunshine9218 · 18/09/2024 19:02

3CustardCreams · 18/09/2024 09:27

No you might not need a degree in teaching to teach. But you do need at least a basic bachelors degree in the subject you are teaching. Otherwise what’s the difference between you and your pupil just reading cliff/York notes. The student can do that themselves without a teacher if that’s the level of knowledge on the topic they’re bringing to the classroom.

No you don't! 80% of teaching is behaviour management and knowing how to plan a lesson and 20% is subject knowledge. I've been doing it for 10 years

Kitkat1523 · 18/09/2024 18:58

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

🤣🤣🤣

Sunshine9218 · 18/09/2024 18:54

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 10:17

I am adopting a wait and see approach for now. So far my DC seems happy in her class and is learning. We will see their performance at the next progress evening and mock exams.

I was quite taken aback by how many parents were unbothered on this thread and also the revelation that there are many teachers who don’t hold degrees in the subjects they teach. I know teaching is an unpopular profession at present. To learn there are teachers in the state system (and quite possibly private system too) who may have a degree in maths for example, but who are having to teach maths, science, computing and all manner of subjects they aren’t qualified in surprised me.

When you qualify as a teacher, you are qualified to teach anything. A good teacher will research a topic or subject well to deliver it even if it isn't their specialism.

Fatbottomgardener · 18/09/2024 16:02

Most indies will list where staff studied as parents like to see that.

i know one that will now only recruit new staff from Oxbridge and Russell group

pinkyredrose · 18/09/2024 15:54

I expect my child to be being taught by ‘the best’ or close to, given I am paying so much.
Anyway, as said, I am going to be monitoring my child’s results very closely.

Why do you keep mentioning the money you're paying? Are you going to try and find out the qualifications of all the other teachers there?

pinkyredrose · 18/09/2024 15:51

I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard.

Lol. Your child could shock horror actually revise?

Tiswa · 18/09/2024 15:43

The thing is @RabbitWedge she is still the same teacher you like and were happy with before - she has a good record and has been there a number of years with good results - why does this bother you so much

getting a degree does not a good teacher make

HucklefinBerry · 18/09/2024 15:43

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

Oh this can not be serious 😂

lazyarse123 · 18/09/2024 14:59

There was a thread last week by a trainee teacher and she wanted some advice because her university educated and qualified teacher couldn't spell her subject specific words.
If this teacher is getting good grades for her students I don't see an issue. In fact your coming across very snobby.

2boyzNosleep · 18/09/2024 14:56

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

Again speak to the school head and board!

They are the ones employing! She didn't employ herself did she and YOU were the one who 1st posted that her students get great results.

If you don't like it, change to a different private school where every single teacher has a degree!

You aren't just paying for 'the best teacher with a degree'. It's the best teacher with experience, smaller class sizes, resources, grounds, the 'name' and contacts if its a well-known school, all other staff such as admin, maintainence, cleaners, school nurses, catering.

Quite frankly you are coming across as ignorant and that you know better than the school, just because you chose to pay.

VeronicaCreepcheese · 18/09/2024 14:51

Is this a joke post designed to make private school parents look bad?

takealettermsjones · 18/09/2024 14:49

RabbitWedge · 18/09/2024 14:23

As far as I am concerned, ‘Mrs Jones’ has opened herself up to scrutiny by not ensuring she is properly qualified. I will hold her accountable should my child’s grades fall below the expected standard. If A Level’s are all that are required, why doesn’t the state sector employ people straight out of college? It would certainly go some way towards filling all the teaching vacancies!

We should still have minimum standards.

Unless you're suggesting she's forged a degree certificate then she is properly qualified for the job she applied for. Your (ridiculous) issue should not be with her - go and take it up with your MP.