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DC’s teacher didn’t go to university.

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RabbitWedge · 28/07/2024 17:38

Two of my DC’s are at the same secondary private school. It’s a small private school, not a well known name, but costs a small fortune nonetheless. An interaction with one of my DC’s English teachers at the end of term has made me feel uncomfortable.

‘Mrs Jones’ has worked at the school for a number of years. She is a very well liked English teacher; the children love her and she’s given high praise on the parents WhatsApp group. At the end of term, I was having a casual chit chat with ‘Mrs Jones’ and the topic of university came up. I asked ‘Mrs Jones’ where she went to university, and she stated that she had not gone and didn’t have a degree. I must have looked very taken aback, as she quickly added that she had an impeccable educational record (apparently all A’s and A*’s), she’d been tutoring for a number of years and working as a TA, at which point the school promoted her to teach English. I didn’t ask for this explanation, but she perhaps felt the need to justify her teaching.

I was under the impression that all teachers had to have degrees at the very least, and whilst I don’t doubt her popularity and delivery of her English lessons, I am concerned. I was aware that teachers in the private system didn’t need to be qualified teachers, but to not even have attended university seems unsuitable.

Would you raise this with the school in my position?

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Gameofmoans81 · 29/07/2024 20:33

If her teaching is good and her results are as excellent as she claims, why on earth would you be bothered?

LuluBlakey1 · 29/07/2024 20:29

They need a degree to complete a PGCE to teach in a primary or secondary school.
Private schools are not bound by the same rules and often employ unqualified teachers.
State schools can employ unqualified teachers but that would be an exception and usually someone who has some time from a PGCE or SCITT still to complete for whatever reason. I have never come across someone employed as a teacher who had no degree in a state secondary school.

Longma · 29/07/2024 20:26

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usernother · 29/07/2024 20:23

Id be quite happy knowing that's she's a good teacher and well liked by parents and children. As someone said earlier, she's successfully completed an apprenticeship.

Cityandmakeup · 29/07/2024 20:23

Shock horror private schools don’t require qualified teachers. The irony 🤣

ScartlettSole · 29/07/2024 20:22

stormywhethers321 · 28/07/2024 21:40

Honestly? I'm a teacher. I have two degrees and a PGCE. And I could have skipped all of them for the training they provided me in doing my job. Everything of value I learned about education I learned on the job.

She has loads of experience as a TA and a proven track record of success as a teacher. That's far more valuable than any module I took at uni.

Same here. I have three degrees, none relating to education, and did my PGDE and it was completely useless!

ScartlettSole · 29/07/2024 20:21

OhcantthInkofaname · 28/07/2024 18:17

To all the posters on here declaring that having a university degree doesn't matter would be okay with your GP not having a degree? Or your nurse? Psychologist? Mechanical Engineer (who designs bridges)?
The education your children get isn't any less important.
How about the one particular piece of knowledge that your child needs won't be taught because the teacher doesn't know it.

Teaching degrees dont work that way. I completed mine at post grad level and it was useless, nothing but a formality. Other than being required to complete probation and gain registration, I have never used a single thing from it in the classroom. And I am a bloody good teacher.
I learned from my mentors, colleagues and CPD. Even picked up ideas from social media. Absolutely nothing from uni.

2boyzNosleep · 29/07/2024 20:20

RabbitWedge · 29/07/2024 11:42

@EKnaring I would like justification as to why they have employed an English teacher who only has A Levels to her name. Our school only goes up to GCSE, so that’s the highest level any of our teachers teach.

I imagine she probably became a teacher through on the job training and/ or a teaching certificate, before degrees became compulsory.

Similar to nurses (my field), it was only 2013 that it became compulsory to have a nursing degree. Many senior nurses, ward sisters/managers and matrons do not have degrees, nor do they have to.

I understand you may not be happy with what you perceived to be paying for, however, a degree does not mean a better service/knowledge.

During my own degree and since training new student nurses, I've met plenty of students who would be excellent nurses and really knew what they were doing, but failed modules as their essay writing was not great. Whereas there have been others that are quite frankly a serious incident waiting to happen, but got a 1st because they can write great essays.....

Morganrae1 · 29/07/2024 20:19

I know loads of people with degrees who I wouldn't want anywhere near my children's educations. Common sense should be a factor in who teaches not a degree this lady deemed to be a good teacher? If so what's the real problem here?

Grammarnut · 29/07/2024 20:19

Toetouchingtitties · 28/07/2024 17:44

I don’t get this ‘need a degree to teach’ bullshit. You can get some very capable individuals who can teach without one. If they are getting good results, what’s the issue?

I agree. Most of the teachers at the schools I worked in did not have degrees since until fairly recently there were two routes to teaching. 1 Take a degree. Until 1972, when a PGCE or equivalent became required, simply having a degree qualified you to teach. 2. Attend a teacher training college for 3/4 years and get a good grounding in teaching plus input on your chosen main and subsidiary subjects.
A third option was to take a degree in Education, which came with the right to teach, but this was quite rare.
State maintained schools must employ suitable qualified teachers (though they do not have to teach their own subject!). Private schools can employ whoever they like, but places like Eton only employ suitably qualified teachers (to a high degree) and most reputable private schools will want a PGCE or a degree in Education/Teaching degree - which is the route which has replaced the teacher training colleges.
No point raising this with the school. They employ the teacher. Does she teach English well and enthuse her pupils? If so, why worry?

Islandgirl68 · 29/07/2024 20:13

I have heard of teachers in private schools in England not having a teaching degree, but they usually have a degree and experience in their field. Unless it was a learn on the job apprentice or degree I am with you they should have some sort of a degree to teach in a school. Not sure if you can do that in a private school in Scotland.

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Saltedbutter · 29/07/2024 20:07

Judging by her track record she sounds like an incredible teacher.

A degree doesn’t guarantee intelligence or gumption.

DeclansAFeckingDream · 29/07/2024 20:06

*best

DeclansAFeckingDream · 29/07/2024 20:05

I used to work in a private school (state school now) and the bear English teacher I ever met didn't go to Uni. Her head of department was a crap teacher.

JustMeAndTheFish · 29/07/2024 20:04

Back in the day, before you could only teach with a degree, believe me that some of the best teachers had never been to university; teacher training colleges produced some excellent educators. Having a degree does not mean that a person is able to engage with pupils and stakeholders.
I worked in (in a non classroom based professional capacity) and was governor in a primary school which was constantly judged as outstanding; the headteacher, who was nominated for Headteacher of the Year, didn’t have a degree. (And no, I don’t agree with Ofsted and league tables, but that’s a whole different conversation).

HorsesAreRunningOn3LegsTonight · 29/07/2024 20:03

I’m going back 30 years, but when I qualified as a teacher, there were 3 students who didn’t pass - they all went to teach in Private Schools straightaway.

Viamar · 29/07/2024 19:50

Well I only have 30 years teaching experience and B’ Ed ( hons )

sendismylife · 29/07/2024 19:33

Genuinely it is only the SENCO that legally has to be a qualified teacher. The first thing you are told on the SENCO course! No-one whose children attend an academy should be trying to hold staff qualifications over independent school parents.

boombang · 29/07/2024 19:29

Viamar · 29/07/2024 19:22

Teachers in state schools do not need a degree or a teaching qualification if they work in an academy. My friend queried why her daughter was taught by a teaching assistant and was told only the Headteacher and Senco need qualified teacher status.

Rubbish - many academy heads don't have QTS - they are often business people

wellington77 · 29/07/2024 19:28

There’s quite a few private schools that have unqualified staff and lack resources that state schools have, not the big ones you hear of of course. My colleague who now works in a state school was paid £17 grand 9 years ago to be a History at a private school, about ten grand less than at state and she had no work computer.

1974devon · 29/07/2024 19:26

Yep in the independent school sector a lot probably don't. They definitely don't need BEd or PGCE..a lot will have degrees but don't have to be in what they teach.
State sector..I.was amazed to find out HOY is not a teaching role and more of an admin/manager type role. So many of those may well not have teaching degrees.

Viamar · 29/07/2024 19:22

Teachers in state schools do not need a degree or a teaching qualification if they work in an academy. My friend queried why her daughter was taught by a teaching assistant and was told only the Headteacher and Senco need qualified teacher status.

RayWinstone · 29/07/2024 19:04

I'm sure this will have been mentioned previously but, to clarify - you don't need a degree or QTS to teach in state schools either. You can be employed as an unqualified teacher. You won't get paid as much as a qualified teacher. You do need a degree (not necessarily in the subject you qualify in to teach, fwiw) if you want to gain QTS and get paid on the teacher pay scale.