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New career working Christmas as single parent

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ItsSpookySeason · 28/07/2024 15:37

I have just finished a nursing degree and I'm waiting on my pin coming through before starting my new job. I've worked hard to get to this point as a mature student but unfortunately during my training my husband divorced me and has now moved to another country with OW.

We have 5 children under 12 who he now sees twice a year. I have managed during my training using paid childcare and have been fortunate that I have a family member who has also helped by looking after my children, but they are now also moving away to start a new job so I will solely be relying on paid childcare.

I am extremely worried about working 12 hour shifts over Christmas - I don't object to working Christmas eve / Christmas day / boxing day at all but I have no idea how I am going to sort childcare. I don't want to raise this as an issue as soon as I start my new job, I don't want to make a bad impression nor do I think I deserve special treatment as a single parent, but none of my childcare providers work Christmas day or boxing day, I have already asked!

How does anyone in a similar situation manage? I was previously self employed, and married, so have never had to worry about this before! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Bignanna · 29/07/2024 19:16

Izzymoon · 29/07/2024 19:14

Missing the point of the post but I just can’t get past the on tap paid for childcare for 5 children under 12 on bank holidays, early mornings, evenings and weekends and it’s never ever an issue except Christmas Day.

Do you not understand it? What is your point?

Izzymoon · 29/07/2024 19:14

Missing the point of the post but I just can’t get past the on tap paid for childcare for 5 children under 12 on bank holidays, early mornings, evenings and weekends and it’s never ever an issue except Christmas Day.

Sidge · 29/07/2024 18:33

Too late now @ItsSpookySeason as you’ve signed a contract but I’ll say it again. Look into primary care. You’re not employed by the trust and nothing to do with them - you are employed directly by the partners in a surgery. It’s their business and they can hire at will, unencumbered by the HR tangle that you’ll find in a trust. They may advertise on NHS jobs, local primary care network or ICB websites etc.

As a single parent with a frequently absent ex and a child with complex needs working in primary care was the only way I could maintain a nursing career. There was no flexibility in hospital roles at all.

Interl0per · 29/07/2024 18:33

Maybe speak to a local church. I know a lot of them work hard to offer gatherings etc. to make sure people aren't alone on Christmas Day. You might find that they have people on their team who would be suitable and willing to offer childcare too.
It might not be ideal, but it's a possibility?

And well done OP on completing your course!

Starlingexpress · 29/07/2024 17:57

You will generally have the option to chose which of the ‘key days’ you prefer from Christmas Eve, day or Boxing day and then NYE/NYD. No guarantees but some people prefer CE off.

Some wards will split the 12 hour shifts so there may be an option to use some AL on the key days.

I was always more than happy to work Christmas before I had kids and assumed the same courtesy would apply when I had my kids. It didn’t 😉

If all else fails, you may have to consider exceptional/unpaid leave.

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 17:47

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 15:06

True, but she needs to get experience now, having just qualified

In a perfect world absolutely but unfortunately in the real world you do sometimes have to make sacrifices. Being a single parent without a support system doesn't work, doing 13hr shifts that covers day, nights, weekends and holidays. Why the children are still so young

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 17:43

iamtheblcksheep · 29/07/2024 15:44

Why. What is she supposed to do for money in the meantime? She needs to earn a living for herself. Your working years go by in the blink on an eye. You shouldn’t have to give up a career for children

Absolutely you shouldn't but unfortunately sometimes life happens and you have to work a job that fits in with children while their so young.

Juyjuly32 · 29/07/2024 17:07

@MumChp I don't think this is true. You have no idea how difficult it can be working a 13 hour shift as a single parent. I don't want to be negative as OP has done so well to complete a nursing degree with 5 DC!

However I actually am a single mum also work in the NHS with 0 family help. 7am starts, 8pm finishes and night shifts would not be fair on OPs children at all.

I hope OP can perhaps use her degree some how maybe a non clinical job role? But still nursing.

I think OP needs to apply for outpatients ASAP.

MumChp · 29/07/2024 15:51

iamtheblcksheep · 29/07/2024 15:44

Why. What is she supposed to do for money in the meantime? She needs to earn a living for herself. Your working years go by in the blink on an eye. You shouldn’t have to give up a career for children

Lots of parents adjust having children. This nurse won't be the only one struggling to balance family and work. NHS is tbh full of struggling nurses.

My husband is a teacher. So much easier as a parent. If I had a second go I would opt for that or another similar 9-17 job.

iamtheblcksheep · 29/07/2024 15:44

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 15:03

But she can still hold of a few years if need be she will still be qualified in a few years when her situation is better

Why. What is she supposed to do for money in the meantime? She needs to earn a living for herself. Your working years go by in the blink on an eye. You shouldn’t have to give up a career for children

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 15:06

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 15:03

But she can still hold of a few years if need be she will still be qualified in a few years when her situation is better

True, but she needs to get experience now, having just qualified

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 15:03

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 14:40

When she started I think she had support, but things then went wrong, as often happens in life.

But she can still hold of a few years if need be she will still be qualified in a few years when her situation is better

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 14:40

OP - will you keep us updated about what happens. There has to be a solution- somewhere

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 14:40

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 10:01

No I would hold of 5 years before starting a career with such unsociable hours with 5 young children and no support network

When she started I think she had support, but things then went wrong, as often happens in life.

Differentstarts · 29/07/2024 10:01

Codlingmoths · 28/07/2024 23:30

But they can’t. He won’t have them. What exactly do you think she should do- chuck 5 little kids unaccompanied on a plane and hope he collects??

No I would hold of 5 years before starting a career with such unsociable hours with 5 young children and no support network

ItsReallyOnlyMe · 29/07/2024 08:25

Is it worth advertising for paid child care over the Christmas period ? There will be someone who doesn't celebrate for religious reasons and will be glad of the extra money. Obviously their credentials will need checking out but I think it's worth a try.

There are always many people who are alone at Christmas and are looking for volunteer work. There is someone out there who would be glad of this opportunity. You just need to find them! (Hard I know as you are ridiculously busy with your family and work).

Iamuhtredsonofuhtred · 29/07/2024 08:11

Ek1234 · 29/07/2024 07:32

I do feel sorry for your situation OP, it sounds like you've worked incredibly hard to get to where you are now. Unfortunately I have no help I can give. I've nursed for 15 years and know from personal experience that the Christmas rota is done in a very "unemotional" manor meaning that it doesn't take into account personal circumstances aside from who worked the key shifts the previous year (Christmas eve night, Christmas day early/late/night and boxing day). You will very likely be rostered on to one of those shifts. Your option is to see if any of your colleagues can swap. The posters who have been saying you'll be unpopular if you request not to work your first Christmas have been unkind (but not wrong), I think it would be better to ask than to be rostered on and then leave the ward short staffed by not turning up on your allocated shift. In saying all that, clinic jobs (even after a year on a ward) are hard to come by and very much in demand. Usually specialist roles are reserved for nurses with more experience so you may find yourself as a ward nurse for a while longer yet, so might be best to find alternative child care over Christmas.

I really think it depends on the unit/ward. At my hospital they are very flexible and accommodating, and it’s in London so the staff are very diverse, many Muslim colleagues or different branches of Christianity where NYE or Christmas Eve is the big celebration day and not Christmas Day. I’ve never worked Christmas Day and it’s absolutely fine.

JudgeBurrito · 29/07/2024 07:45

Ek1234 · 29/07/2024 07:32

I do feel sorry for your situation OP, it sounds like you've worked incredibly hard to get to where you are now. Unfortunately I have no help I can give. I've nursed for 15 years and know from personal experience that the Christmas rota is done in a very "unemotional" manor meaning that it doesn't take into account personal circumstances aside from who worked the key shifts the previous year (Christmas eve night, Christmas day early/late/night and boxing day). You will very likely be rostered on to one of those shifts. Your option is to see if any of your colleagues can swap. The posters who have been saying you'll be unpopular if you request not to work your first Christmas have been unkind (but not wrong), I think it would be better to ask than to be rostered on and then leave the ward short staffed by not turning up on your allocated shift. In saying all that, clinic jobs (even after a year on a ward) are hard to come by and very much in demand. Usually specialist roles are reserved for nurses with more experience so you may find yourself as a ward nurse for a while longer yet, so might be best to find alternative child care over Christmas.

This, 100%. You've phrased this perfectly. It's not that people want to see others struggle, but when you've worked the past two Christmases (after two Christmases in lockdown) you don't want to be covering it again. Everyone has their own lives.

JudgeBurrito · 29/07/2024 07:43

iamtheblcksheep · 28/07/2024 23:58

Down on the deal hey. The sooner benefits stop for those that don’t work full time the better. The op clearly wants to work. Stop discouraging her.

I literally asked if she could bank. I never suggested not working, but shifts are not compatible with 5 kids and no childcare.

MumChp · 29/07/2024 07:41

Codlingmoths · 29/07/2024 01:30

The thing is, she is clearly prepared to offer something in return. She’s specifically said she can work any other day, she can take Christmas Eve, she can take New Year’s Day. Why couldn’t you acknowledge that?

You should offer more.
If you want to swap a shift 25.12 as a nurse it's often not enough to offer 24.12 or 1.1.

Kinneddar · 29/07/2024 07:40

Surely as a one off under the circumstances asking your sister for help makes most sense. I appreciate you say she's moved away and you don't want to ask but surely Christmas is different and she'd want to help if she knew how stuck you were

Ek1234 · 29/07/2024 07:32

I do feel sorry for your situation OP, it sounds like you've worked incredibly hard to get to where you are now. Unfortunately I have no help I can give. I've nursed for 15 years and know from personal experience that the Christmas rota is done in a very "unemotional" manor meaning that it doesn't take into account personal circumstances aside from who worked the key shifts the previous year (Christmas eve night, Christmas day early/late/night and boxing day). You will very likely be rostered on to one of those shifts. Your option is to see if any of your colleagues can swap. The posters who have been saying you'll be unpopular if you request not to work your first Christmas have been unkind (but not wrong), I think it would be better to ask than to be rostered on and then leave the ward short staffed by not turning up on your allocated shift. In saying all that, clinic jobs (even after a year on a ward) are hard to come by and very much in demand. Usually specialist roles are reserved for nurses with more experience so you may find yourself as a ward nurse for a while longer yet, so might be best to find alternative child care over Christmas.

HaPPy8 · 29/07/2024 06:10

I would be amazed if no one at your job will help out. I have worked in nhs for 25 years a large chunk shift work on wards and we always used to help each other out. I’ve young kids but if my colleague was having to leave her young kids with a stranger on Christmas Day I would work it for her. Most people are kind OP. Don’t panic. I’m sure if you offer Christmas Eve and new years you will be seen to be doing your bit.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 29/07/2024 06:01

Wingingit11 · 29/07/2024 05:48

No suggestions for you OP but I just wanted to say what a fantastic job you’re making of life. It must have been bloody hard getting this far, and as a single parent without the same so-acute childcare isshes, I am in awe of what you have achieved. talk to your manager and look into emergency nanny cover via agencies - remember that there are many others in the profession to whole Christmas is an opportunity to make some extra cash.

Ditto, she’s amazing.

Wingingit11 · 29/07/2024 05:48

No suggestions for you OP but I just wanted to say what a fantastic job you’re making of life. It must have been bloody hard getting this far, and as a single parent without the same so-acute childcare isshes, I am in awe of what you have achieved. talk to your manager and look into emergency nanny cover via agencies - remember that there are many others in the profession to whole Christmas is an opportunity to make some extra cash.