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Conversations around race with your partner

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ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 15:32

NC for obvious reasons

I'm in an interracial relationship and struggling with DH's reactions to racist incidents.

Recently, a member of his family used a horrible racial slur during an altercation. Instead of being disgusted, my husband's initial reaction was to say the other person "shouldn't have started it" and that if you provoke someone, you should expect them to try to hurt you and that see, you're hurt clearly it worked to try and get to them with the racial slur.

I had to push hard for him to finally acknowledge that what his family member did was horrible. What's even more troubling is that this family member has dated people of color in the past.

This isn't an isolated incident. Whenever there's an issue regarding race, my husband tends to minimise it instead of showing sympathy for the victim. He often sides with or makes excuses for people who have said or done racist things. When we discuss, it always ends in an argument.

As a person of color myself, I find his reactions deeply upsetting and hurtful. It makes me feel unsupported and invalidated in our relationship. I'm not sure how to address this ongoing issue with him or if it's even possible to change his perspective.

Has anyone dealt with a similar situation in an interracial relationship? How did you handle it? Any advice on how to approach this with my husband would be appreciated.

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Merryoldgoat · 28/07/2024 20:10

Look @ireallyneedsuppport - he isn’t interested in understanding your feelings. You don’t matter to him.

I’m mixed (black and white) and my husband is white. If anyone was racist he’d be disgusted and say so whether I was there or not, and would’ve before meeting me.

If anyone in his family made a racist comment to me there is no question he’d support me.

Has he always been like this? I’m utterly perplexed as to how you married someone like this as a black woman - I don’t understand how important conversations about race weren’t had prior to getting married.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 20:08

@Yourdemonsyourproblem this was the point I made to DH.

His reply, you'll say the first thing back that you know is going to hurt the most as that's what people do in arguments.

He defended that the family member is racist and said she was trying to cause as much upset as possible because it was retaliation.

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Yourdemonsyourproblem · 28/07/2024 20:06

You can say a lot of things to hurt people without bringing race into things

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 20:02

@bryceQ yes, it's slightly improved over the years, but we are still not where I want it to be as this situation was only recent.

There's usually an issue every few months because being a POC it obviously affects your life and so it's inevitable it becomes part of the relationship

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ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 20:00

I really need support about this and have no one to discuss with IRL at all for obvious reasons.

There have been many instances where he has defended racist situations. Every single time a racist incident has occurred it's either;

  1. Not at all to do with race and to do with every other likely possibility except the colour of someone's skin or
  1. I'm told the person isn't racist and racism is basically KKK level or nothing to get worked up about or
  1. It's not racist (when it blatantly is)
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MaterCogitaVera · 28/07/2024 18:51

Never had this issue with a partner, but I’ve dumped a couple of friends for defending racists in a similar way. I hope I would also have dumped a partner if they did the same, though obviously that’s often harder. I’m white, FWIW.

MotherOfRatios · 28/07/2024 17:29

OP this won't change and if you want children it could harm them, just leave. You deserve happiness and to be loved for every inch of you someone who loves you wouldn't make comments like this.

bryceQ · 28/07/2024 17:27

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:46

@Middlepart yes done all of it. Spoken at length, asked him to read books, read him extracts from books, googled articles and sent to him...he just says he isn't as motivated about race as I am!?

This is an ignorant thing for him to say. It's not about being motivated by race what a stupid point. My husband doesn't get to choose when he cares about ethnicity, the world decides for him in the way he is treated daily. To love someone means you care about injustices that affect them!

bryceQ · 28/07/2024 17:25

Has he always been like this?

It's a myth that being in an interracial relationship suddenly means you understand nuance around racism. Proximity to black doesn't magic up empathy. Unfortunately I've heard of lots of instances like you're describing.

I am in an interracial relationship (I'm white) of 15 years. I would never ever tolerate any family member saying anything even remotely insulting. I don't think this should be normalised.

StormingNorman · 28/07/2024 17:18

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:57

@ThisNoisyTealLurker yes exactly that. There must be some deep rooted racist beliefs for you to even consider mentioning race in an altercation

There also needs to be deep rooted racist beliefs to excuse people who bring race into an altercation.

In your previous post, you described teaching him to understand basic equality and humanity.

I think you need to look within the marriage.

ATenShun · 28/07/2024 17:12

MsKirby · 28/07/2024 17:08

Does it really matter?

Of course it matters. If what we are saying is that saying something that offends is wrong, then every offensive remark is wrong. The OP hasn't come on here and said 'my poc friend said something offensive, and that was wrong and so the person who it was directed at who said something offensive back.

slantedroof · 28/07/2024 17:12

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:46

@Middlepart yes done all of it. Spoken at length, asked him to read books, read him extracts from books, googled articles and sent to him...he just says he isn't as motivated about race as I am!?

JFC. I am sorry OP, I have no words. I just couldn’t be with someone like this.

slantedroof · 28/07/2024 17:09

You can’t change it. This is who he is. Either accept it or leave or stay and resent him for it.

I find it absolutely astonishing that he thinks this sort of racism is acceptable.

But you know that he does, he defends his position, so now you have to decide your next step knowing this. And expecting him to change is not an achievable goal.

itsmylife7 · 28/07/2024 17:08

I hope you don't have children with this man.

MsKirby · 28/07/2024 17:08

ATenShun · 28/07/2024 17:02

As you didn't tell us what the insult given by the first person was, I'll use an as example it was 'fat and ugly'. Would that person have deep rooted unpleasant beliefs towards overweight people and those who are not as conventionally attractive? Why would that be acceptable any more than a racist remark? Both are deeply unpleasant and hurtful to certain people.

Does it really matter?

MyNewNewlife · 28/07/2024 17:05

Op your husband is racist.. you have no business staying with him. Honestly you just don't. I am sorry you have found yourself here.. if you stay you will have to compromise your person and identity and that is outrageous. I would be fuming and tell him to go fuck his racist self

So tired of trying to educate ignorant racist and their sympathisers. In fact I refuse

SeeSeeRider · 28/07/2024 17:04

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:52

@SeeSeeRider I mean are you white?

Does it make a difference if I am or if I am not?

ATenShun · 28/07/2024 17:02

As you didn't tell us what the insult given by the first person was, I'll use an as example it was 'fat and ugly'. Would that person have deep rooted unpleasant beliefs towards overweight people and those who are not as conventionally attractive? Why would that be acceptable any more than a racist remark? Both are deeply unpleasant and hurtful to certain people.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:57

@ThisNoisyTealLurker yes exactly that. There must be some deep rooted racist beliefs for you to even consider mentioning race in an altercation

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ThisNoisyTealLurker · 28/07/2024 16:56

ATenShun · 28/07/2024 15:43

Saying offensive things is of course wrong. But during altercations people do say and do things they shouldn't. Did the other party start an altercation, did they say or do something that could be considered offensive? Two wrongs may not make a right but I agree to a certain extent with your husband.

People say things in the heat of the moment therefore it would indicate to me that the person has racist beliefs. There’s zero excuse for racism, absolutely none.

ATenShun · 28/07/2024 16:56

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:55

@ATenShun the slight difference is the first insult was about an individual, a racial Insult targets an entire group.

What was the insult?

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:55

@ATenShun the slight difference is the first insult was about an individual, a racial Insult targets an entire group.

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ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:52

@SeeSeeRider I mean are you white?

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ATenShun · 28/07/2024 16:52

Aquamarine1029 · 28/07/2024 16:11

There are a million offensive things you can say to someone without bringing race into it. Racial slurs, at least in my family, are just totally unacceptable. End of, no exceptions, and I don't think there's any in between. You either think they are unacceptable always or or you make excuses for racist behaviour.

How do determine which offensive things are ok and which are not?

Would it be ok to use someones weight to offend? What about looks? Body shape?

All these are used by people of all ethnicities and have ability to cause upset in the person they are directed to. As the OP said the other party was offensive first. Should that be ok, but throwing an insult back not?

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 16:52

@SeeSeeRider do you mind me asking are white?

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