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Conversations around race with your partner

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ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 15:32

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I'm in an interracial relationship and struggling with DH's reactions to racist incidents.

Recently, a member of his family used a horrible racial slur during an altercation. Instead of being disgusted, my husband's initial reaction was to say the other person "shouldn't have started it" and that if you provoke someone, you should expect them to try to hurt you and that see, you're hurt clearly it worked to try and get to them with the racial slur.

I had to push hard for him to finally acknowledge that what his family member did was horrible. What's even more troubling is that this family member has dated people of color in the past.

This isn't an isolated incident. Whenever there's an issue regarding race, my husband tends to minimise it instead of showing sympathy for the victim. He often sides with or makes excuses for people who have said or done racist things. When we discuss, it always ends in an argument.

As a person of color myself, I find his reactions deeply upsetting and hurtful. It makes me feel unsupported and invalidated in our relationship. I'm not sure how to address this ongoing issue with him or if it's even possible to change his perspective.

Has anyone dealt with a similar situation in an interracial relationship? How did you handle it? Any advice on how to approach this with my husband would be appreciated.

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CakeAtFour · 28/07/2024 21:36

You can get him to read books, write him letters, make impassioned pleas to his better nature etc…but ultimately you’re wasting your breath.

He clearly holds racist views.
He doesn’t seem to really understand what racism is (evident from the way he minimises blatant examples of it).
He can’t be bothered to open his mind enough to learn more or see things from a different perspective.

All that would be a deal breaker for me, but the most hurtful thing about all of this is…He doesn’t CARE how this affects YOU. Therefore, how can he really care about you at all?

Don’t have children with this guy. Don’t commit to a life with him. You deserve much better.

3CustardCreams · 28/07/2024 21:35

I was friends with someone who made a supposedly friendly joke about another girl in our groups eyes (half korean). The joke was said amongst quite a few other people. Everybody laughed but I could tell the girl was really upset by it. Nobody flagged up that it was inappropriate. I dropped that friend

Starseeking · 28/07/2024 21:34

@ireallyneedsuppport I'm not sure what kind of upbringing and the environments you have lived in, but it sounds like you would benefit from some therapy to unpick why you feel you should try and find reasons to keep living alongside the people who keep belittling you like this.

Your race is something you have NO control over. Your DH family members and friends using racial slurs that offend you is not ok. Your DH shrugging his shoulders and saying you're imagining/using the race card/focussing on race too much is not ok.

You trying to educate him is like banging your head against a brick wall; you are the one who will end up with deep mental and emotional scars from this.

Continuing to live in this situation will drive you to a mental health crisis if you do not leave, and I don't say that lightly.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:30

@Middlepart I meant counselling

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Merryoldgoat · 28/07/2024 21:30

@ireallyneedsuppport

I’m sorry but I think you’re deluded. I don’t know how you can enjoy the company of someone who shows you such contempt and lacks any consideration for your race and heritage.

elliemillie · 28/07/2024 21:28

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:20

@elliemillie thank you for sharing.

I've also had some of his friends use racial slurs in front of me - not at me but referring to the n word happened once and other words to other nationalities.

He's never called them out on it 😢

From experience, I don't think he ever would. This is my second interracial relationship. I was married to the first one for 14 years and we have 2 children. The first time his family met the DC (we used to live in my home country) they asked them if we didn't bread in my home country. They were enjoying their bread to much.
It was 14 years of micro aggressions like this and as the kids grew up, ex DP would make excuses for them and it really hurt my daughters. Now they barely see their dad or his family.
I was sure I had vetted my new DP after all that but here I am

MotherOfRatios · 28/07/2024 21:28

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:26

I've also had his family members refer to going for a Chinese as the c*y shop, on two separate occasions this has happened. No one corrects them.

I am so confused. The list goes on, I feel I am saying too much now it's getting upsetting for me.

this isn't a good environment to raise mixed race children in, please for your own mental health ditch that man!

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:26

I've also had his family members refer to going for a Chinese as the c*y shop, on two separate occasions this has happened. No one corrects them.

I am so confused. The list goes on, I feel I am saying too much now it's getting upsetting for me.

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Middlepart · 28/07/2024 21:23

@ireallyneedsuppport as I said before, he doesn't want to change. He doesn't think he should, he doesn't think being racist is a big deal. Wtf do you mean professional help?? Maybe a lobotomy 🙄

You can't make him change. All you can do is decide if you want to be with a racist/apologist for the rest of your life.

Fififafa · 28/07/2024 21:23

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 20:00

I really need support about this and have no one to discuss with IRL at all for obvious reasons.

There have been many instances where he has defended racist situations. Every single time a racist incident has occurred it's either;

  1. Not at all to do with race and to do with every other likely possibility except the colour of someone's skin or
  1. I'm told the person isn't racist and racism is basically KKK level or nothing to get worked up about or
  1. It's not racist (when it blatantly is)

Honestly you need to end this relationship. I don’t say that lightly. This man has no intention of changing or having any empathy even for a woman he supposedly loves. He will continue to gaslight and minimise. Any children you have will also be brought up in this environment and god knows what effect that will have on their mental health and confidence. If someone shows you who they are, believe them.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:22

@Merryoldgoat I do love him. He has some good qualities, aside from what I've put on this thread.

I do think he cares for me, but I don't think is respect for me is as much as it should be. I believe he loves me but there's a lack of respect.

We also enjoy each others company lots.

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ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:21

@Merryoldgoat he would tell them to shrug it off.

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Merryoldgoat · 28/07/2024 21:20

@ireallyneedsuppport

Are they in your plans? If so would you honestly be happy with him parenting you mixed child? Taking them to see his family and they talk about how ‘it’s a shame they turned out darker than they thought’ or ‘thank god they’re so light’ - hearing that language? Would be he going to school when your child is subjected to racism to deal with it properly? Or will he tell them to ‘shrug it off’.

What is keeping you with him? Do you honestly love him given how little respect he shows you?

He’s not it OP - you need to have a hard think.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:20

@elliemillie thank you for sharing.

I've also had some of his friends use racial slurs in front of me - not at me but referring to the n word happened once and other words to other nationalities.

He's never called them out on it 😢

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PerfectYear321 · 28/07/2024 21:18

I would not be able to get past this and would actually end my marriage over this. It's too important. Your husband doesn't have your back. The motivated by race comment would send me over the edge.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:17

I just don't understand why he can't reflect and see where I'm coming from and acknowledge everything. I don't expect him to be perfect but just the acknowledgment.

Whenever someone says something racist or a micro aggression he will tell me how lovely the person is and that they're not racist.

I had an instance with one of my best friends once a micro aggression and he said she's your friend for years, as though to say how am I calling her out on it. And then we never spoke about it ever again because there was no way too.

I am so confused. Do you think professional help could be useful? He likely will not do it though

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elliemillie · 28/07/2024 21:14

My partner is like this if not worse We have been together for 4 years and it's only started these past few months. I didn't see it coming was totally blindsided. But the signs were probably there...
A year and a half into our relationship, his female friend called me a racial slur and he huffed and puffed about how he wasn't going tolerate it. Well they are still friends and have weekly phone calls.
The latest obsession is that there is a plan to fill Europe with brown people. And most crimes in Europe are committed by brown people and the police and government skew the stats to hide this by calling them British. Apparently if they broke British down, it will show that most of them were not white.
I am also told not to take this personally. Well I am of African descent so impossible not to take it personally.

I have mentally and emotional exited the relationship. I need to sort out some investments we have made together. Luckily I own my house and he doesn't actually live here more than a few days every week so I dont have to see him or listen to the nonsense everyday. I cannot see myself in another inter racial relationship after this. I am scarred by the experience.

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:12

@Merryoldgoat no

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SeeSeeRider · 28/07/2024 21:10

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:08

@Starseeking yes I guess it's quite simple as you've painted it to be, you're right.

It is just as simple as @Starseeking has painted it to be. This is the truth staring you in the face. Please don't look away.

Merryoldgoat · 28/07/2024 21:09

@ireallyneedsuppport do you have children?

ireallyneedsuppport · 28/07/2024 21:08

@Starseeking yes I guess it's quite simple as you've painted it to be, you're right.

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Starseeking · 28/07/2024 21:06

Unless you want to spend the rest of your life tolerating "micro-aggressions" and you DH gaslighting you by minimising them, I'd suggest leaving him.

Otherwise, stay exactly where you are, go blue in the face trying to educate him, and keep feeling disrespected.

...HINT: He won't ever be told.

Biancobianca · 28/07/2024 21:05

You/he will never out root racism in his family. This much I do know.

GalileoHumpkins · 28/07/2024 20:58

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Found the racist.

SeeSeeRider · 28/07/2024 20:56

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You nasty creep. Reported.