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I would swap with her in an instant

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Cookiecrumblane · 28/07/2024 01:21

I am a sort of clever woman, financially secure, good at what I do. I have lots of friends and family around me, despite being single.
Today I met a woman through a friend, ten years younger than me. She was upset at losing her job last month, she had tried but made a serious of errors and was eventually sacked.
Even as she cried, she looked beautiful. She told me about her various problems, not being able to pay rent, her debt, her self esteem.
And I thought how much I would love to be that pretty. She was distraught, but even with all that was going on, she was served first and efficiently in the bar. Men held doors and beamed at her. They crossed the street to walk closer to her.
I have never had that. And so what good is education, my job, my success. Because ultimately she'll end up ok. She is more likely to get a job and when she does people will praise what she does much more than they praise people who look like me.
Is that mad? That I would swap with her in an instant, even to be jobless and at risk of losing my flat, just to feel visible?
I'm sure men don't feel this way.

OP posts:
YouJustDoYou · 28/07/2024 07:29

Looks don't last.

swayingpalmtree · 28/07/2024 07:28

Polyp0 · 28/07/2024 03:03

Thing is, you’re not really imagining a true swap. You are imagining looking like her, but being as intelligent and together as you are. Clearly she’s not always praised in every job, or she wouldn’t have got the sack would she?

Yep, if you want to swap with someone out of envy you dont get to cherry pick the parts of their life you'd swap, you have to take the entire life and thats where you're engaging in wrong thinking.

If she's really so beautiful and amazing then she wouldnt be losing her flat or her job would she?- her stunning beauty would mean she'd be the boss or at least the manager right now and her landlord would let her stay there for free due to her incredible beauty. Can you see how you have completely contradicted yourself here?- her beauty clearly hasn't given her free ride because if it did she wouldnt be crying about these things now.

You need to stop with this ridiculous and false assumption in your mind because it will only bring you further misery.

DurhamDurham · 28/07/2024 07:26

Sounds like the 'plot' of a really terrible book. Why would you want the life of someone who is going through a truly terrible time?

Lourdes12 · 28/07/2024 07:25

She might keep getting hired because of her looks but might not be successful if she’s lacking competence. Maybe she’s used to relying on her looks but that won’t take her all the way

Yalta · 28/07/2024 07:24

I get what you mean and those who don’t I don’t think have experienced what you mean about having the invisibility that not having the features that makes us look attractive brings

Or the fact that attractive people have in the literal and figurative sense have doors
opened for them.

You can love yourself all that you can. You can be proud of your achievements and working hard to achieve those things but once you see someone who without putting any effort in getting the same or better jobs and experiences and being put ahead just because they are beautiful you then you can’t unsee it.

Its a case of, if 2 candidates for a job were equal on all their qualifications, experience and scored equal marks in their interview, Do you honestly think who gets chosen, how attractive the candidate is will not be a factor.

Wwe175 · 28/07/2024 07:22

I would suggest some new clothes and maybe a spa day.

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 28/07/2024 07:20

I wouldn’t want men crossing roads to walk closer to me. That sounds fucking terrifying.

Nobodywouldknow · 28/07/2024 07:16

Also I used to work with someone who was stunningly beautiful and I admit I used to be a bit envious. Then cracks started to show. It turned out the boyfriend she talked about was actually abusive, had hit her and then left her but she pretended they were still together for a good few months. She then moved to her own flat and started having serious money issues and was evicted. She found it easy to attract boyfriends but very hard to keep them as her behaviour was quite erratic. People often overlooked it because she was pretty and it was written off as just being “crazy” but it became increasingly obvious. She was eventually diagnosed with a serious mental health disorder that required hospitalisation. She now lives with her parents at age 40. Occasionally she will get a boyfriend and gush on social media but it will never last due to her condition because it’s so incompatible with being in a relationship with someone. I wouldn’t swap with her for the world. And she really is gorgeous.

TartanJambo · 28/07/2024 07:15

This is disturbing.

FunIsland · 28/07/2024 07:14

EI12 · 28/07/2024 07:07

That proves the point - she married a scruffy academic. I can just imagine a host of PhD female students, 10 times clever than her, asking 'why not me?' Even 'scruffy' academics are attracted to beauty, not brains, sadly. On a separate note, I never thought the blond one from ABBA looked remotely pretty, never mind beautiful. She looked like a Hals milkmaid to me, but I am the wrong sex to judge.

Edited

Or maybe she has more going for her than her looks? Maybe she’s interesting, compassionate, funny? You sound so incredibly judgemental, about your sister, your niece, the radiologist.

It’s really unpleasant to read.

maddiemookins16mum · 28/07/2024 07:11

This is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever read on here.

RoachFish · 28/07/2024 07:09

I don’t want to sound like a twat but I have always got lots of male attention. I worked as a model in my teens and 20s and I often get told I look younger than I am (mid 40s now). I have and still am experiencing everything that your friend is and it’s not all that nice. I was married for 20 years but since we divorced a couple of years ago and I started dating again I have completely gone off men. All they see is my looks, I’m a status symbol and all that matters to them is what me being with them makes them look. None of them were interested in me as a person.

i’m lucky that I have a job and a home but if I didn’t I wouldn’t want to put my faith into the hands of these sleazy men who just view me the same way the view an expensive car. My self worth is definitely not linked to how I look, I am much more proud of be able to stand on my own two feet after a long and abusive marriage.

Nobodywouldknow · 28/07/2024 07:07

You have issues. You’d rather lose your job, home and credit rating to be “pretty”? No, you wouldn’t, that stuff is shit. And clearly she’s not okay at all and she’s upset about it as anyone would be.

EI12 · 28/07/2024 07:07

BananaLambo · 28/07/2024 06:15

I have a beautiful friend (former model, looked like the blonde one from ABBA) and she had an awful time with men. Yes, they all wanted her - she’d get served first in bars and men would hold doors open for her, but she got hideous backlash from them when she turned them down and some women were incredibly jealous and bitchy towards her. It was somehow acceptable to treat her badly because she was beautiful. She married a scruffy academic and now lives happily in the countryside with her chickens and dogs, and I think she is very glad that she’s no longer subject to such blatant and public scrutiny.

That proves the point - she married a scruffy academic. I can just imagine a host of PhD female students, 10 times clever than her, asking 'why not me?' Even 'scruffy' academics are attracted to beauty, not brains, sadly. On a separate note, I never thought the blond one from ABBA looked remotely pretty, never mind beautiful. She looked like a Hals milkmaid to me, but I am the wrong sex to judge.

EI12 · 28/07/2024 07:02

No, it is not mad. I understand how you feel. We had a girl at school like that. She did not even bother to dress properly, use make up. All the boys were in thrall to her, all of them. It was useless even to try to get the attention of a boy you fancied. I see it happen all the time, even in a very professional environment - partners and senior partners notice stunning-looking associates and plain ones get overlooked. I never thought it could happen in legal environment, but it does. Actually, 2 or so years ago they published research, proving that even teachers in primary schools spend more time on good-looking pupils. Worse than that, same in medical profession, they pay more attention to the complaints of a good-looking person. My sister is plain, short and chubby, round-faced, her husband has a gaunt look of a consumptive patient of the XIX century or a neighbourhood underfed ned - and their daughter turned out a copy of Grace Kelly - I looked after her when she was 15, on presentation to a children's hospital the radiologist kept saying 'you were a patient here, I remember your face from before' seriously, he was genuinely trying to remember (she had never been). I did not say 'you saw her in old films'. There is nothing one can do about it, apart from accepting it. I do.

Flibflobflibflob · 28/07/2024 07:00

Oh we all struck by the green eyed monster sometimes. I’d have loved to be pretty but if someone who is very pretty was sitting in front of me telling me how shit everything was for them I would firstly feel horrible for them and secondly reflect on how bloody lucky I am.

Men often judge women on attractiveness and think thats all that matters, it would be a shame of women did it too to other women.

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 28/07/2024 06:56

“She is more likely to get a job and when she does people will praise what she does much more than they praise people who look like me.”

Obviously not since you are set in a career and she was sacked for capability.

Cop on, OP.

JaneAustensHeroine · 28/07/2024 06:55

Would you really swap? And by swapping it means taking on EVERY aspect of her life - not just the looks but everything….even the bits you don’t know?

Augustus40 · 28/07/2024 06:47

So good looks is much more enviable than financial competence.

speakout · 28/07/2024 06:33

This is sad reading.

EerieSilence · 28/07/2024 06:26

Is this some fishing post from a journalist or just a work of a psychopaths.
Because it reads: "Today I met a woman whose life is falling apart and she is shattered. And all I could think was, rubbish babe, you're pretty, you'll get over it."

BananaLambo · 28/07/2024 06:15

I have a beautiful friend (former model, looked like the blonde one from ABBA) and she had an awful time with men. Yes, they all wanted her - she’d get served first in bars and men would hold doors open for her, but she got hideous backlash from them when she turned them down and some women were incredibly jealous and bitchy towards her. It was somehow acceptable to treat her badly because she was beautiful. She married a scruffy academic and now lives happily in the countryside with her chickens and dogs, and I think she is very glad that she’s no longer subject to such blatant and public scrutiny.

gwanmen · 28/07/2024 05:33

Men held doors and beamed at her. They crossed the street to walk closer to her.

Sounds like a bot

LiterallyOnFire · 28/07/2024 05:22

XChrome · 28/07/2024 03:35

Why do you feel the need to be validated by men? You are killing it at life. You're a winner. This girl is, by her own admission, a fuck up. She will probably be given lots of chances at jobs because of her looks, but it sounds like she will fail at them.
As for attention from men, fuck a bunch of that. You do know that's not always positive, right? Guaranteed she also gets a lot of attention from creepy perverts.

You don't sound much better than OP TBH.

That women is "a fuck up" because she's lost her job and can't pay her rent? Delightful take.

LiterallyOnFire · 28/07/2024 05:19

Pretty women do not always get happy endings. It's ridiculous to assume they do.

That much (any?) objectifying make attention is a PITA. You think you'd like it. You wouldn't.

Your thinking is really very skewed. Alarmingly so. I think you probably need some help. Are you being treated for depression?