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Not trying to be inflammatory but why do people *need* more than two kids?

365 replies

ConstantlyFuriosa · 27/07/2024 05:01

Just that.

OP posts:
MyNameIsFine · 27/07/2024 09:41

Not being inflammatory, but .... 😂

ItsAlrightDarling · 27/07/2024 09:38

I have 3, but have always earned over the threshold for child benefit, so does that mean I’m ‘allowed’ my 3?

Sunlime · 27/07/2024 09:35

No one needs any, I can see why people don't want just one (no judgement as we are happily one and done), but you're right no one needs more than two; some people want more though even if they don't have the financial security nor the logistics such as a big enough house to cope. It's selfishness at that point, I say this as someone who grew up in a crowded property in poverty simply because my parents just wanted a few more kids, ew

CheshireCat1 · 27/07/2024 09:34

marshmallowboy · 27/07/2024 05:48

Love being pregnant, love babies, love toddlers, love primary age, slight less love for the teenagers, love the adults, love the big family gatherings. I have 4 but would have happily have had 6, I just couldn't because of circumstances.

Similar here, had three but would have loved three more.

CurlewKate · 27/07/2024 09:32

Nobody "needs" any.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 27/07/2024 09:32

Didimum · 27/07/2024 09:20

It’s a bit silly to keep blasting the OP with ‘no one needs any’. No, one one ‘needs’ kids, but a country certainly needs kids to keep a stable population and that means an average fertility rate of 2.1 children per woman – so someone needs to have them from that perspective, don’t they? Considering not all women will have children and some will have one child, then it’s needs to be the case that some will ‘need’ to have more than two in order to meet that average.

How anyone decides who gets to have this ‘excess’ of two is always going to be arbitrary, pointless and possibly discriminatory.

Have you been living under a rock?! The world actually needs less people. You know, climate change and the fact that we are literally eating the world.

RisingSunn · 27/07/2024 09:29

RedOnyx · 27/07/2024 08:37

The people I know with 4 kids are
a) Mormons
b) have kids with 2 or more different partners - in a lot of cases they had their first child as a teenager then went on to have more later
c) had two kids then went for a third, which ended up being twins

Those with three it's a mixture of:
a) trying for a girl/boy after two of the same sex
b) Mormons again
c) third child was unplanned
d) two children with one person then split up/divorced and had a third child with a new partner
e) had first child as a teenager then went on to have two more at an "acceptable" age (usually not with the same person as the teen pregnancy, sometimes child 2 and 3 were also with two different people
f) planned second child was twins

Well, not over here.. Had 4 children between the ages of 31- 39. One father … Russell Group Uni graduate, Masters, Career bla bla bla.

Some of us just enjoy larger families.
It’s not that complicated.

Cantabulous · 27/07/2024 09:28

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 27/07/2024 05:35

Because I enjoyed them and wanted them and could provide for them. No other reason.

This.

i found having two quite stressful and divisive - eldest with daddy, baby with mummy - the third left us outnumbered so we had to stick together! It’s been such a laugh, genuinely, I wouldn’t have it any other way. We could afford it so we did it. Plus I was one of 3 so it felt right. (He was one of 5 and that was NOT right, there was neglect and bullying as his mum and dad couldn’t afford them and couldn’t cope.)

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 27/07/2024 09:26

Snippit · 27/07/2024 09:24

We had just one child, and have enjoyed being able to travel all over the world with her, we would have struggled financially if we’d had more. We briefly claimed working tax credit when my husband lost his job. I remember as a child that these benefits didn’t exist. Both my parents worked, my dad was in the building trade which at the time was very up and down so we depended on my mums income, she worked part time as a HCA. During these phases we really had to knuckle down and go without, it wasn’t pleasant at all.

I feel that the two child policy is sufficient, I’ll probably be shot down now for saying this, but growing up when this didn’t exist, something is better than what we got 🤷‍♀️

Won't shoot you down by we've taken five children traveling the world, more than once, before taking them home to their own bedrooms. We weren't rich either.

Snippit · 27/07/2024 09:24

We had just one child, and have enjoyed being able to travel all over the world with her, we would have struggled financially if we’d had more. We briefly claimed working tax credit when my husband lost his job. I remember as a child that these benefits didn’t exist. Both my parents worked, my dad was in the building trade which at the time was very up and down so we depended on my mums income, she worked part time as a HCA. During these phases we really had to knuckle down and go without, it wasn’t pleasant at all.

I feel that the two child policy is sufficient, I’ll probably be shot down now for saying this, but growing up when this didn’t exist, something is better than what we got 🤷‍♀️

pilates · 27/07/2024 09:22

DH & I discussed and felt we could give two children a good life. Fortunately, I had no desire to have more. If we had more we would have had to move house, get a new car and less holidays. If you can afford more than two then why not.

Didimum · 27/07/2024 09:20

It’s a bit silly to keep blasting the OP with ‘no one needs any’. No, one one ‘needs’ kids, but a country certainly needs kids to keep a stable population and that means an average fertility rate of 2.1 children per woman – so someone needs to have them from that perspective, don’t they? Considering not all women will have children and some will have one child, then it’s needs to be the case that some will ‘need’ to have more than two in order to meet that average.

How anyone decides who gets to have this ‘excess’ of two is always going to be arbitrary, pointless and possibly discriminatory.

Kitkat1523 · 27/07/2024 09:18

Never heard anyone say they need kids….just that they want them 🤷‍♀️

MysweetAudrina · 27/07/2024 09:12

I have 5. I have a good career with flexible working patterns, which I availed of when they were young. Current salary is in excess of 100k. They all had their own bedrooms, as there is an age gap. Older 3 are all moved out and in good jobs, relationships. I am currently on a 2 week holiday with youngest dd giving her plenty of 1 on 1 time. Dh is bringing youngest ds away for 10 days when we get home giving him similar. I have someone to clean house so beds are changed weekly. Am I a perfect parent, hell no, but even with 1 child i would still be the same parent. Do I regret it or look for state or family support? No. It's an individual choice for each family and no one else's business.

THNG5 · 27/07/2024 09:11

Yumyumm · 27/07/2024 05:37

The people I know with 3+ kids are shm and don't have careers. I often get the feeling they're trying to fill a void - they're bored/lonely etc and can't afford the children they have, but keep going anyway. People on here will shoot me down, but I don't know any women with 4 kids that's got a great job!
One person I know has 8 kids!! Though they can afford it as her husband earns enough.

I've got 5 kids and I'm a full-time teacher. My husband also works in a professional job. I'm definitely not bored or trying to fill void!

Butwhybecause · 27/07/2024 09:11

BigMandyHarris · 27/07/2024 05:10

I have 4, for no particular reason

I worked out the reason after three
😃

ChallahPlaiter · 27/07/2024 09:10

PuddingAunt · 27/07/2024 08:59

In some places there is a community that values big families and others that value limiting children. Either or both may have values around accepting benefits.

Yeah you’ve hit the nail on the head about the benefit cap being racist and otherwise discriminatory. There aren’t many families with 3+ children so my point about the “feral” 6+ child families where parents keep popping them out so they don’t have to get a job being an urban myth still stands.

RisingSunn · 27/07/2024 09:10

ConstantlyFuriosa · 27/07/2024 05:19

No issue, per se. Prompted by the two child benefit cap. Am interested in perspectives.

Maybe be more specific in your title.

We have 4 children and the benefits cap doesn’t affect our family.

GnomeDePlume · 27/07/2024 09:06

We have 3 to prove that no contraception is 100% reliable. Copper coil, she was born practically clutching it.

We didn't find out I was pregnant until 18w which I am really glad about. No big decision to make, just get on with it.

With DC3 everything changed. DH became SAHP. My career took off (as much as women's careers do take off). Life has been an adventure, much more so than if we had just the 2 DCs we planned.

Almostwelsh · 27/07/2024 09:04

I didn't need them. I wanted them. I would have had an extra one if my marriage hadn't broken down. Luckily for me I have a career as well, so my larger than average family is fine financially, as am I. I have never been a SAHM.

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 27/07/2024 09:01

People want more kids, they don't need them. I imagine they want the third for the same reason they wanted the first and second. What is there to understand?

PuddingAunt · 27/07/2024 08:59

ChallahPlaiter · 27/07/2024 08:47

There aren’t even “many” families with six children, let alone those under child protection who keep having more to get non-existent benefits. Why must people exaggerate and lie?

In some places there is a community that values big families and others that value limiting children. Either or both may have values around accepting benefits.

Miyagi99 · 27/07/2024 08:57

No one needs any really. Pointless question.

ChallahPlaiter · 27/07/2024 08:54

RedOnyx · 27/07/2024 08:37

The people I know with 4 kids are
a) Mormons
b) have kids with 2 or more different partners - in a lot of cases they had their first child as a teenager then went on to have more later
c) had two kids then went for a third, which ended up being twins

Those with three it's a mixture of:
a) trying for a girl/boy after two of the same sex
b) Mormons again
c) third child was unplanned
d) two children with one person then split up/divorced and had a third child with a new partner
e) had first child as a teenager then went on to have two more at an "acceptable" age (usually not with the same person as the teen pregnancy, sometimes child 2 and 3 were also with two different people
f) planned second child was twins

I had 4 because I was mortgage free in my 30s and thought why not? All have the same dad. #notaMormon

PointsSouth · 27/07/2024 08:52

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