To have allowed my dc watch the Olympic opening ceremony?

Can you understand why I feel some frustration that there has been so much emphasis on the drag element of the ceremony and such a lack of reaction about his inclusion? I feel uneasy that our society is very quick to call out the drag acts and the only reaction to the convicted man was booing!

What you would or wouldn’t want your own kids involved in is fair enough. I tried to find out more about that child (is she a dancer, is she a competition winner etc) but couldn’t see much. Perhaps that is for her protection.

Tights and knickers and bare chests at the Olympics!? And they allow children in the audience? I heard some of the men even do the BREAST stroke as an obvious attempt to mock women. How could this be allowed on my TV?

Pretending that there's a distinction between "cisgender" men and "trans women" is what I objected to.

Hi, not avoiding, just cross posting. As you can see, my last pot was pretty lengthy.

Is it suitable for a child to be dancing next to a bare chested man who then has a wardrobe malfunction. I can’t imagine it coming up at work! I’d be questioning when and where and if the answer was “on TV during a dance performance” I’d maybe ask further about the child’s role and where their guardians were etc, but I wouldn’t say it’s inappropriate for an opening ceremony, no.

Have you seen my mention of the child rapist who is actually competing at the games?

It was a run in his tights that showed about 5cm of thigh skin instead of see-through tights. Again, makeup, shorts and a small patch of thigh wouldn’t be prompting this reaction if it were a female dancer - just because you want to regress us all back to more rigid gender norms doesn’t mean everyone wants that.

Unclutch your pearls and stop trying to enforce your gender obsession on the world.

I believe men are a risk to women.

Yes, you'd have to have been living under a rock not to. All men. Men as a sex, not an "identity".

How on earth did I force team you? If you mean by my use of the word “also” I was listing things I care about simultaneously.

I am not presuming anything. As I mentioned earlier, I believe men are a risk to women. You were so focused on my use of the word “cisgender” that we then went all round the houses arguing definitions.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to equate a depiction of the Greek god of partying to the Last Supper.

It was people dancing beside a fashion runway. They weren't even sitting at a table.

but I’m trying to mention that there is biology outside a gender binary

It's the sex binary, and no there isn't. Disorders of sex development aren't a third sex, and everyone has a sex.

@HolyGround13

Don't presume to force team me into your ideological beliefs about "gender". Men do not belong in women's spaces, it's not a trans thing, it's a man thing. Statistically men are a risk to women. And your twee platitudes also ignore that it's an issue of privacy and dignity for women.

but I’m trying to mention that there is biology outside a gender binary.

"Gender" is sex role stereotypes, the binary is biological sex.

Intersex people might have different internal and external sex organs, they often do. So if they are assigned one way at birth, they may feel differently later on when they suddenly start having periods or growing facial hair because they have excess testosterone.

@Ereshkigalangcleg I’m not saying intersex people have anything to do with the trans community, but I’m trying to mention that there is biology outside a gender binary. Drag queens are also unrelated to trans people, but OP is mentioning trans people a lot.

I think people are capable of having subtle discussions about feminism and trans activism without it degenerating, but Mumsnet probably isn’t the best forum. I suppose I wanted to gently engage without being aggressive, as OP has referred repeatedly to a “woke agenda” and it’s a delicate subject.

I worry about child safeguarding frequently, as it comes up in my job. I also worry about violence against women and girls. I also worry for trans people and the rates of violence and suicide in their community. We can care about all these people without lobbing insults. Trans people aren’t trying to hurt you. They are mostly just trying to live their lives, see some people who look like them on tv, and pee in peace.

No human "true hermaphrodite" with two sets of functional gonads has ever been discovered.

"Intersex" is an activist term. They have a medical condition, they are nothing to do with "trans".

People with disorders of sex development are male or they are female, however ambiguous it might appear to the observer.

Don't be silly.

But then if you’re intersex, you don’t by definition fit into either category of male or female, that’s the point. Someone decides for you at birth.

The meaningless in-group label "cisgender" has zero relevance to people with disorders/differences of sex development.

"Intersex" is a name given to people with disorders of sex development.