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AIBU to think we can afford 3 kids?

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wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 16:37

Have have no village
both work ft combined earn shy of 120k
FT nursery is about £70 a for a 4 day week (that with the 30hrs, it’s how much they charge now) term time, outside is £60 a day.
4 bed house but a small new build one
already have a 7 seater
decent prospects are work. Both work 9/10
id have to go back FT
love our holidays but do hunt for a bargain
we don’t live in our forever home, will likely upsize when DM sells her home and move to a larger place with an annex for parents.
only way our mortgage will go is down (we’re On a high rate rn .14% about BBR

after tax and deductions (health and protection and pensions) we get just over 6.2k a month)
dh and I both want another BUT he thinks we can’t afford it.
All monthly except childcare and that’s difficult to work out monthly due to funding and term time contracts.
mortgage -£1200
protection £50
childcare- £180 a week but that will go down in January to £100
gas/ electric £130
council tax £150
phones £50
internet £40
food £500
subscriptions £20
credit card £100
we save £50 a month each and will start reclaiming child benefit to save that for them.

MN your straight talking.

AIBU to think he’s being over cautious and financially we’re ok financially

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HowIrresponsible · 26/07/2024 18:13

AIBU to think he’s being over cautious and financially we’re ok financially

You lost me at that point. He is presumably DH / DP.

If he isn't on board then you can't have a third. But you know that.

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:13

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:11

So you don’t need to start to claim it again? You already have?

anyway. Good luck 👍

I don’t get it yet though, maybe next month I should get the backdate payment

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wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:12

Weiredeout · 26/07/2024 18:06

Budget 15k per child for uni which parents are supposed to contribute to.

I agree with others re sen as even 1 dc with 'mild' asd can be tricky working when they are at school for first 2 years or so as they can be overwhelmed and certainly dd had so many issue i thought she would be expelled at 4-6.
Also transport to secondary is £800 a year here.

We do save for them, my steer to them wouldn’t be to go away to uni it would be to stay at home or do a degree apprenticeship, but if they did we’d use the savings for them

that must’ve been really challenging for you!

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ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:11

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:09

I called back in may and I’ve not had anything come through yet, they said they’d back date it but it could take 3 months

So you don’t need to start to claim it again? You already have?

anyway. Good luck 👍

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:10

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:06

Sorry love what I mean by au fait with I meant I’m not familiar with benefits or dLa instead of carers allowance- I don’t know what would be the best in that area at all.

child benefit isn’t limited it’s child tax credit that is.

dh earns just over and I earn mid 50s

Yes, I know CB isn’t limited to 2.

Thats why I said UC benefits. Not CB, If he earns over 60k you won’t get UC, if your child was disabled. You would get carers allowance and dla for the child.

and as you have a mortgage and don’t rent you would get nothing to housing costs, even if there was UC available.

ByPeachKoala · 26/07/2024 18:09

OP@wonderfulthingabouttiggersis Oh come on, you have an extremely good income, we have 2 kids on less and I don’t even work due to chronic illness, we have a very good lifestyle with a larger mortgage than you and still afford multiple holidays and max out our pension contributions. However the moment anyone says they don’t think they can afford another kid then this is a good reason not to have another one ….as perhaps they don’t really want one that much ..what your husband may mean is he doesn’t want to compromise your lifestyle for another kid, which is fair enough!!!

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:09

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:01

And if yiu are both on 60k why haven't you started claiming it now?

I called back in may and I’ve not had anything come through yet, they said they’d back date it but it could take 3 months

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zzar45 · 26/07/2024 18:08

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 16:44

That’s for each of ours kids in their own investment, on top of any adhoc birthday/ c mas money they get, and soon to be child benefit.

we save between us separately too

So why have you listed only £50 as one of your spend lines on your budget if you then save more.

Your total listed comes to less than £3200 so there’s surely a £3k black hole where your money is going but not accounted for.

I you each save £300 that’s £600 spare if you will, not a huge amount of wiggle room for another childcare bill if you got pregnant right away.

Obviously in theory £6k with a relatively low mortgage should be able to sustain 3 kids, however if you don’t know where your money goes you can’t be realistic about where to cut back.

Weiredeout · 26/07/2024 18:06

Budget 15k per child for uni which parents are supposed to contribute to.

I agree with others re sen as even 1 dc with 'mild' asd can be tricky working when they are at school for first 2 years or so as they can be overwhelmed and certainly dd had so many issue i thought she would be expelled at 4-6.
Also transport to secondary is £800 a year here.

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:06

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:00

So you both earn 60k each?

I didn't say you were in benefits. Why would you be on benefits?

I was talking in reference to you saying if you child was disabled you would give up work claims carers allowance and benefits. Unless you husband earns very little and you sr the main wage earner (meaning you wouldn't get CB) you would get dla and perhaps carers allowance. But not benefits.

And given the 2 child rule, you wouldn't get UC benefits for all 3.

Sorry love what I mean by au fait with I meant I’m not familiar with benefits or dLa instead of carers allowance- I don’t know what would be the best in that area at all.

child benefit isn’t limited it’s child tax credit that is.

dh earns just over and I earn mid 50s

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5128gap · 26/07/2024 18:04

The thing is OP, your H doesn't want a third child. He is saying you can't afford it. This could mean one of many things. He is seeing it as a lifetime commitment and is worried about long term costs. He doesn't want to plough surplus income into a third child and wants to enjoy a higher standard of living with more disposable cash. He has reason to be concerned about income security. He doesn't want a baby for non financial reasons and is making an excuse. I think rather than have MN confirm what is obvious - that you can afford nursery, nappies and food for a baby - you need to talk to him and find out his reasons for saying this and go from there.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:01

And if yiu are both on 60k why haven't you started claiming it now?

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 26/07/2024 18:01

As PP said what about affording the extra plane seat on a holiday, or the extra theme park entrance ticket. Every time you go for a.emal or the cinema its that extra cost. Plus when they want new toys, laptops, game consoles, phones. Then as teenages all new clothes as they won't always what hand me downs. Then you'v3 got 3 lots of driving lessosn, 3 lots of cars, 3 lots of car insurances.

Would yoy want to be able to help all 3 children with deposits for houses etc. The babt stage is the cheapest

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 18:00

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:53

Because we’ll have to start paying it back they changed it recently won’t have to pay it all back

I’m not au fair on benefits

So you both earn 60k each?

I didn't say you were in benefits. Why would you be on benefits?

I was talking in reference to you saying if you child was disabled you would give up work claims carers allowance and benefits. Unless you husband earns very little and you sr the main wage earner (meaning you wouldn't get CB) you would get dla and perhaps carers allowance. But not benefits.

And given the 2 child rule, you wouldn't get UC benefits for all 3.

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 18:00

Catza · 26/07/2024 17:56

I don't much care if you think I am rude but why start an AIBU thread when you have your mind made up? What a waste of everyone's time!

But why be derogatory. It’s pretty nasty to say I don’t understand finances (i work in finance) and say I think a child lives on breast milk.

my comments were obviously related to immediate expenses. Our salaries will improve most likely

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Catza · 26/07/2024 17:56

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:54

What a rude little person you are indeed

I don't much care if you think I am rude but why start an AIBU thread when you have your mind made up? What a waste of everyone's time!

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:54

Catza · 26/07/2024 17:51

I can tell but that's because you seem to be generally confused about finances.
My logic is this - you may plan on things remaining largely the same (like, you didn't use formula with your other two) but you actually have no way of knowing if this will be an option with your third. You have a high salary but are able to save very little of it and your initial calculation doesn't seem to show where the money is going. So you are not having a very realistic picture of your finances.
You seem to forget that children don't remain babies forever which means you will have additional costs of clothing them, educating them, providing entertainment, paying for one more airplane seat, buying each of them a phone and a laptop before too long. You have not accounted for any of that. So far, you seem to think that cloth nappies and breast milk is enough to get you through their entire childhood.
Your expenses will continue to grow exponentially. Which means your lifestyle will change. That, in itself, is not an issue. I don't actually think you can't afford the third I just think you are completely clueless about how your finances will change as a result. So if you want one, go for it. But my personal approach would be to actually start putting money aside every month to simulate the changes you are likely to experience with the third and see if you still like the lifestyle you are left with. And, I am guessing, this is what your husband is hinting at when he says you can't afford it.

What a rude little person you are indeed

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wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:53

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 17:50

I am confused.

Why would you start claiming CB again? At least one of you earns over 60k. O think I might be missing something there.

And if you gave up work for a disabled child, you would perhaps get dla. Carers allowance is next to nothing and likey to get very little in benefits if your husband earns a decent wage.

Because we’ll have to start paying it back they changed it recently won’t have to pay it all back

I’m not au fair on benefits

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Catza · 26/07/2024 17:51

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:43

Each, yeah.

but my expenses won’t drastically increase, the nursery cost is the same.

don’t use formula so that’s out.
already have clothes and nappies, that’s not to say I won’t buy more but I’m confused as to your logic

I can tell but that's because you seem to be generally confused about finances.
My logic is this - you may plan on things remaining largely the same (like, you didn't use formula with your other two) but you actually have no way of knowing if this will be an option with your third. You have a high salary but are able to save very little of it and your initial calculation doesn't seem to show where the money is going. So you are not having a very realistic picture of your finances.
You seem to forget that children don't remain babies forever which means you will have additional costs of clothing them, educating them, providing entertainment, paying for one more airplane seat, buying each of them a phone and a laptop before too long. You have not accounted for any of that. So far, you seem to think that cloth nappies and breast milk is enough to get you through their entire childhood.
Your expenses will continue to grow exponentially. Which means your lifestyle will change. That, in itself, is not an issue. I don't actually think you can't afford the third I just think you are completely clueless about how your finances will change as a result. So if you want one, go for it. But my personal approach would be to actually start putting money aside every month to simulate the changes you are likely to experience with the third and see if you still like the lifestyle you are left with. And, I am guessing, this is what your husband is hinting at when he says you can't afford it.

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:50

Hankunamatata · 26/07/2024 17:49

I'd keep in mind you may have to pay for childcare and wrap around even if not using it during maternity to save your place

Nah it’s alright, I’d just put my name back on the list for a year from then, they are pretty good!

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ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 26/07/2024 17:50

I am confused.

Why would you start claiming CB again? At least one of you earns over 60k. O think I might be missing something there.

And if you gave up work for a disabled child, you would perhaps get dla. Carers allowance is next to nothing and likey to get very little in benefits if your husband earns a decent wage.

Hankunamatata · 26/07/2024 17:49

I'd keep in mind you may have to pay for childcare and wrap around even if not using it during maternity to save your place

5128gap · 26/07/2024 17:48

Given you can obviously afford the immediate costs, perhaps your DH means you can't (or he'd prefer not to) afford another 21 years of it. Never being able to have a smaller car. Always another chunk on the cost of holidays/days out. Never able to consider reducing hours or taking an easier lower paid job. Another through uni etc. It's not just whether you can afford a baby, it's whether you want a third dependent for another two decades and possibly beyond.

Hankunamatata · 26/07/2024 17:48

Holidays get pricey when your a family of 5 and kids are pre teens and up. Plus it's awkward to find accommodation as most hotels don't cater for families of 5. You usually end up having to book 2 rooms.

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:47

wonderfulthingabouttiggersis · 26/07/2024 17:43

Each, yeah.

but my expenses won’t drastically increase, the nursery cost is the same.

don’t use formula so that’s out.
already have clothes and nappies, that’s not to say I won’t buy more but I’m confused as to your logic

Or are you talking about maternity leave?

i get 6 months full pay, + gift (£1000 from company + my bonus. And then 3 months smp

hubs gets 6 months full pay pat leave that can be staggered throughout the first year of life.

so I think we’ll be ok there, although I’d take the kids out of wrap around In the time I’m not working

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