Cressida Gething missing bro's wedding

So what do you think we can do to get our government to take action?

As I mentioned upthread, I think it would be a good idea for JSO to start targeting their own family events. Brides could arrange for other members of the group to throw paint at their dresses while they walk down the aisle, or they could blocade the roads on their day of their child's christening or their parent's funeral. That would make people think, "Holy hell, they're so worried about climate change that they've ruined their own family event to make a point, we need to start taking things more seriously..."

Actually the ambulance service has denied the claims made in some papers that the 2 crash deaths were caused by JSO protests. I'm not sure about the stroke victim. But once again, I did not say that the delays caused were nothing or that I would not also be frustrated by them (I have in fact have family members severely affected). I was making a different argument, about what sort of protest you thought could be effective when all others have failed to get attention. Or if in fact you think it better to do nothing, in which case I guess I could shout horrible names at you for not caring about the victims of climate change, such as elderly people who have died of heat stroke, or people who have died in floods, or had their homes and lived upended. Of course flooding causes countless road closures and our weather is becoming increasingly wetter. So what do you think we can do to get our government to take action?

They all come across like publicity seeking narcissists.

I suggest you get your facts right. It's known that there have been 3 deaths. One stroke victim, and 2 others. And I will moderate my language when you stop being inhuman and disgusting that you suggest three deaths and cancelling cancer appointments are "next to nothing". Have a look at yourself in the mirror before you lecture me.

Makes it seem more and more like a plant organisation to dissuade people from waking up to/protesting the real contributors of climate change

There have not been any deaths from JSO protests. Please moderate your language, that's no way to talk to anybody online. Of course I don't think these things are nothing, I was comparing them to the the effects of climate change, which has already caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and will cause many more.

“ I bet most people wouldn't have known about oil licence renewals if it weren't for JSO. ”

I still don’t know about these renewals, because the protest has not incentivised me to look up their cause and campaigns. What it has done is incensed me that people who were going to hospitals etc were prohibited from their daily business.

I really don't understand this line of thinking. How do they distract from the message? How are they harming the cause? Do you see JSO protestors and then go home and burn some extra fuel

Yes. But I don’t need to go home to do it. Sitting in a traffic jam they have caused by sitting in the road or the extra fuel needed because of the extra miles needed because they have blocked the Dartford Crossing. to get to where you have to be

JSOs carbon footprint must be through the roof

Cannot get over how tone deaf this woman is.

I hope none of them are having kids/have pets seeing as we now know that this contributes to the environmental emergency

This always intrigues me, mainly because of the sheer number of folk who start carrying on about the "climate emergency" only after they've had children

Considering we're constantly told they've been warning of the horrors to come for decades it's perhaps a bit odd that they haven't noticed, but then that's when we get the speech about it concerning "systemic change" rather than individuals

Or in other words "I'll enjoy telling others what to do, but don't even think it'll apply it to myself"

Do you see JSO protestors and then go home and burn some extra fuel?

Edited to add we don't need to - if aircraft are stuck in a stack because a runway's been blocked or motorists trapped in a jam because activists are partying on a road, they're already burning extra fuel because of the them

Though doubtless that doesn't count because the hope to claim the higher ground of "doing it for the common good"

I really don't understand this line of thinking. How do they distract from the message? How are they harming the cause? Do you see JSO protestors and then go home and burn some extra fuel? They piss you off, sure, it would piss me off, but that's exactly what they are trying to do. I bet most people wouldn't have known about oil licence renewals if it weren't for JSO. Whatever you think of their actions they are doing it for shock value, to get attention and publicity for their cause, which they do (and the inconvenience from their protests is nothing compared to the inconvenience coming our way from climate change). How would you suggest protesters get attention when all other forms of protest have failed to do so? Honestly, I would really love to know, because either you believe that we should continue to do nothing, or not, and if it's the latter how should that be achieved when decades of conventional forms of protest have failed.

She expected to be given a conditional discharge, or suspended sentence. She expected, along with her co-defendants to leave court, punching the air in victory getting some great photos. What none of them ever expected was actual prison time

We should find out the details of the wedding and then turn up en masse to disrupt it. Block the brides car, invade the Reception with orange paint on the cars and guests. Give them a taste of their own medicine

Absolutely. Would be great publicity for them. And of course I hope none of them are having kids/have pets seeing as we now know that this contributes to the environmental emergency.

Actually, come to think of it - shouldn't JSO deliberately target their own families' events? Blocade the traffic on their own (or their children's) wedding day, or their children's christenings? That would prove they were truly serious about the cause, and it would also get even more publicity ("bride blocks guests from attending her own wedding in climate change protest").

Are jso responsible for poverty, God no. Deffo government for that.
Still jso carried on with the protests that affected the poverty stricken people way more than rich people.
If jso were truly bothered by this fact, they could campaign for more money, better more local services, some form of transport for the most needy at the protest sites, some massive advertising campaign that told everyone they would block the roads so try and move your appointments, make a different way to work, oh I could go on.
Jso didn't do anything like that so I can only assume they dont care. If they dont care about people losing pay, missing important appointments and funerals, I cant bring myself to care either.

And yes I get that advertising the blockades would have ended up preventing the blockades. But you know they are way cleverer than me, they could figure something out.

Because those are the people with the time and energy to do it, as they aren't being forced to work all hours and have earning as their top priority lest they suffer catastrophe. The suffragettes were middle class and moneyed; when were working class women supposed to be able to attend protests, and why would voting be their priority when they couldn't even rely on being securely housed?

She womt serve anywhere near 4 years! Did you read the judgement? Even the judge said you will server at least half of the sentence i have given you. Plus there was a time already served component. She'll be in a low security prison for about 9 or 10 months, then day release, then parole by not much more than a year. If she has any sense she'll spend the time doing something useful like a masters or finishing her degree is she didnt graduate. Im sure shell actually spend the time writing about climate chnage and as a PP said, she'll be ahero to the movement by the time she comes out and walks into a ready made job working in the activism industry. Not much more than a gap year for her in reality.

I genuinely don't understand why you can't believe people are threatening to throw paint at her brother's wedding? If it's okay to throw paint or soup at Stonehenge or Van Gogh's Sunflowers, why not at a wedding venue? The family would have to be utter hypocrites to support Cressida but object to someone disrupting the wedding. Throwing paint at a wedding won't kill anyone; stopping people from getting to cancer treatment sessions quite possibly will.

Totally agree with you.
Actually can't believe some of these replies, threatening to throw paint at her brothers wedding and so on. Really?!

Because everybody else has to use the majority of their time and energy earning a living and attending to their personal responsibilities, not helped by the better efforts of these smug, privileged self-awareness vacuums and their fuckwit pals.

No, she is not at all unremarkable, as I already explained. But I never suggested she was "superior"; that came from you.

No, she’s wholly unremarkable
are you insinuating shes hierarchically superior in criminality because she’s JSO?
Your presumption of class superiority in and out of jail is questionable

Personally I think the JSO protestors should have been charged with multiple counts of false imprisonment, as that's essentially what they did to the people they trapped on the M25. The statutory maximum sentence is life imprisonment so 4/5 years doesn't seem excessive.

They should also be sued civilly for all the loss/damage/wasted time they caused. Actions have consequences.