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Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 14:10

why? Because she’s middle class and 22. Are you globally anti-prison or just when it’s mc women

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:08

Hopefully she will get a sensible judge on appeal and the sentence will be overturned

Comefromaway · 26/07/2024 14:08

Rfthyhuj · 26/07/2024 13:07

Thank you. I read the judge said ‘if this had went ahead I’d have imposed the maximum sentence’ so I’m a bit confused.

From reading the whole summary the chaos planned went a lot further than what actually happened. They organised approx 45 protesters to block the gantries which caused huge delays but they had planned on causing worse gridlock on the whole of th M5 and the rods leading onto it.

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 14:05

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 13:53

A four year sentence is far too harsh.

We definitely need a Bollocks button, come on MNHQ, sort it!

Nobodywouldknow · 26/07/2024 14:05

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

She has previous for this stuff so it’s akin to a three strikes system. It caused widespread disruption and was carefully coordinated. Also seeing as she was unrepentant following her previous convictions, a lengthy sentence is needed to have any impact.
She will no doubt get her rich parents to pay for a lawyer and appeal. Perhaps the sentences will be reduced a bit and I’d be surprised if she does more than about a year in jail.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 14:05

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

Care to elaborate? Or are leaving it at that incoherent rant
she and her cohort caused interruption,upset and disruption to urgent appts by misplaced direct action
she must bear the consequences

LeFromage · 26/07/2024 14:05

I thought their sentence was harsh even though the M25 antics delayed my mum’s funeral and many people didn’t end up making it. However with this whinging I’ve changed my mind. And let’s hope no one blocks the route to her brothers wedding so he and the bride don’t get the send off they want. I think that would be my kind of justice - every family & friends event they host or attend fucked up by someone else’s militant opinions for the next 5 years.

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 26/07/2024 14:01

I bet the two found guilty of damaging the Van Gogh Sunflowers painting are shitting themselves - they've got the same judge.

(who's already warned them to prepare for prison)

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 14:00

FrippEnos · 26/07/2024 12:09

We all know what will happen.
She will put a request in , turn the water works on and get a day release and still be able to go.

They'll pay some psychiatrist a lot of money to be wheeled out to talk about her 'issues' and how her 'well being' will be impacted by not being able to fly to this event. Luckily, she's now in the inevitable 'safe place', she should be grateful.

Twizzletoe · 26/07/2024 14:00

Another that agrees actions have consequences. Lots of people missed lots of things that were important and maybe even life changing to them. I understand it’s a destination wedding, perhaps her mother should persuade her brother to relocate it to the UK. She might then be able to attend dressed in sackcloth and ashes having walked barefoot all the way from prison

Cosmosforbreakfast · 26/07/2024 13:59

She missed a wedding boo hoo.

People she caused chaos for missed important medical appointments. Honestly if either of my kids pulled a stunt like this I'd be hanging my head in shame not glorifying them in the media.

Ponderingwindow · 26/07/2024 13:58

If a cause or an action is so morally just that one believes the rational choice is to ignore the rule of law, then part of that calculation should include accepting the associated punishment.

Someone who engages in a protest like this should show up, enter a guilty plea, and accept their punishment. That process is part of the protest.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 13:57

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 13:53

Oh my days, this thread is rife with a kind of weird delighting in making shit up about someone nobody actually knows and extrapolating on details to get in a lather about.

@User8646382 for instance: "See, this is what happens when people don’t have any real worries in life. They get bored and have to invent them."

I'd argue that the climate emergency is about as real a worry as they come!? It is unfolding, in real time, in real places, to real people, as we speak and the real privilege is being able to ‐for now‐ not give a shit and carry on, business as usual, as many posters on the JSO related threads of the last few days. We, through no merit other than the luck of our birth, live in one of the places on the planet where the changes in the climate are yet to be experienced fully. Bully for us. Some, like Cressida, are able to hold hard and uncomfortable truths about how the lifestyle choices of citizens of Western growth economies impact the lives of those in other parts of the world whose carbon impact is negligible, and attempt to effect change.

Ditto lots of chat in the "her posh mates", "privately educated" inverted snobbery vein. What is wrong with people, when we're more irritated by a 22-year old making a life-changing decision and facing the consequences thereof, than the fact that the climate is changing with irrevocable impact on the natural world and all the beings who depend on it, and that fossil fuel giants are continuing to rake it in and dangerously and cynically impact government policy for their own gain, gambling with our children's futures. That's the real class (and race) issue to unpick, not Cressida's Herefordshire upbringing. Who's the bigger crook?

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Issue to unpick is with her advantages and clear intelligence and probably verbally fluent she chose inappropriate direct action that depletes public support for cause and is actually counterproductive. She made this all about her, her galloping entitlement, her misplaced fervour and urgency. Her disregard for others. If the real issue is the climate emergency, she and her cohort have actually caused harm by churlish inappropriate misplaced protest

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 13:57

MenopauseSucks · 26/07/2024 13:37

Being silly here so don't flame me...

How about we blockade the church or venue where the wedding is being held?

I'm sure both families & their guests will understand that they are unable to reach the ceremony due to our peaceful protest.

Put my name down, I can bring orange stuff to throw.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/07/2024 13:57

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 13:53

A four year sentence is far too harsh.

All crimes carry a maximum sentence. I'm sure in this instance the maximum for what they were convicted of was 10 years so she got off lightly. Maybe she should've researched this more before committing the crimes she did.

If you think the sentence for a particular crime is 'harsh' then take that up with the sentencing council.

Easipeelerie · 26/07/2024 13:55

When will she actually be out?

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 13:54

prison is a punitive punishment eg removal of liberty and detention that forces you to miss significant life events. Life events like weddings, graduation, significant appointments,reunions…in fact all the commitments and events she and her co-accused prevented people from attending

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 13:53

Oh my days, this thread is rife with a kind of weird delighting in making shit up about someone nobody actually knows and extrapolating on details to get in a lather about.

@User8646382 for instance: "See, this is what happens when people don’t have any real worries in life. They get bored and have to invent them."

I'd argue that the climate emergency is about as real a worry as they come!? It is unfolding, in real time, in real places, to real people, as we speak and the real privilege is being able to ‐for now‐ not give a shit and carry on, business as usual, as many posters on the JSO related threads of the last few days. We, through no merit other than the luck of our birth, live in one of the places on the planet where the changes in the climate are yet to be experienced fully. Bully for us. Some, like Cressida, are able to hold hard and uncomfortable truths about how the lifestyle choices of citizens of Western growth economies impact the lives of those in other parts of the world whose carbon impact is negligible, and attempt to effect change.

Ditto lots of chat in the "her posh mates", "privately educated" inverted snobbery vein. What is wrong with people, when we're more irritated by a 22-year old making a life-changing decision and facing the consequences thereof, than the fact that the climate is changing with irrevocable impact on the natural world and all the beings who depend on it, and that fossil fuel giants are continuing to rake it in and dangerously and cynically impact government policy for their own gain, gambling with our children's futures. That's the real class (and race) issue to unpick, not Cressida's Herefordshire upbringing. Who's the bigger crook?

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 13:53

A four year sentence is far too harsh.

Easipeelerie · 26/07/2024 13:53

Like all radicalised people, she judged that any consequences of what she did could be written off because of the larger consequences the world faces.
I have mixed feelings. I believe the custodial sentence is commensurate with what she did, and she will have been well aware of its likelihood (or should have been).
That said, it’s usually only people that are willing to be radical that effect large change,m and change is really needed here. Just because most of us don’t feel the climate emergency as strongly as she does, doesn’t mean the climate emergency doesn't exist. It does.

Couldyounot · 26/07/2024 13:50

Perhaps they should have considered all this before going criming, really

LuckySantangelo35 · 26/07/2024 13:49

Looking at the picture of her parents house she’s gonna find prison a bit of a shock

scalt · 26/07/2024 13:48

You can read the sentencing remarks here. Rex -v- Hallam and others - sentencing remarks.pdf (judiciary.uk)

Is what they did "peaceful" protesting? I don't call causing massive disruption to hundreds of thousands of people trying to earn their living "peaceful". A demonstration with a few planned road closures in central London is a "peaceful" protest, and I myself have taken part in various such marches, but I would not dream of disrupting the lives of hundreds of thousands of people trying to earn their living. That is not "peaceful" as far as I am concerned. Remember the Fathers for Justice "heroes" who dressed as Spiderman and tied themselves to cranes, and threw powder into the House of Commons; were they protesting "peacefully"? Or is their cause less sympathetic on Mumsnet?

Incidentally, Phoebe Plummer (the pink-haired tomato soup thrower) and her mate have only yesterday been found guilty of criminal damage, and will be sentenced in late September. They have been told to expect prison.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/R-v-Hallam-and-others.pdf

BeavisMcTavish · 26/07/2024 13:47

She should have got a longer sentence to send a clear message. People undoubtedly died and undoubted missed countless life events because of her selfishness.

stupid bint won’t learn her lesson though and will be out in no time.

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