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Competitive friend

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the7Vabo · 26/07/2024 08:43

I have a friend that is very competitive about everything. It’s never been a massive issue between us as she mainly directs it at a girl she grew up with. She has a lot of self awareness about it and will often refer to the fact that she likes to be doing better than X etc.

Im fairly laid back about certain things, I’m not massively driven so mostly it’s never caused an issue between us.

My friend will often refer to how good looking she is, how thin she is etc. Most of the time I don’t care.

Recently it has caused a couple of issues. The first is both me & my husband have put on weight in middle age. Neither of us are happy about it. My friend has managed to refer to it a couple of times which has been hurtful but I try to block it out.

The bigger issue for me is that almost every time we talk she spends a lot of tike talking about our kids ages. My kids are 6.5 & 4. Hers are 5 and nearly 3.5. When 4 year old was barley a toddler my friend was very keen to tell me repeatedly that I no longer had a baby. She kept saying “you’re done with babyhood.” She now refers to her 3.5 year old as just out of babyhood. There is 9 months between the two of them. In our most recent conversation she acted shocked that my younger child had turned 4 and said “your kids are middle aged now”.

I know this sounds silly but this has been almost every conversation for about 2 years / my youngest is still a baby etc. If it was anyone else I wouldn’t think much of it but because it comes from a place of competition - like ha I have a baby/young cute kids and you have old kids I find it annoying. The tone is very dismissive as well - oh but your kids are so old, you’re life must be so easy. (I’m bloody exhausted). Anyways back to my cute little babies.

What I’m hoping for is any suggestions about how to shut this conversation down and get the point across. I don’t want a row about it, I just don’t want to listen it any more. Humour would be good.

OP posts:
Soonenough · 01/08/2024 16:34

What a dumb bitch. Sure you really want to be friends with her ?

mewkins · 01/08/2024 16:29

Do you know her parents? I'd say she probably grew up around family who valued being small/the baby/ the youngest etc and that once they got to a certain age everyone ignored them. Is she the sort of person you can ask about this? It will be interesting to see how it pans out as her kids grow up.

the7Vabo · 01/08/2024 16:24

hollyblueivy · 30/07/2024 14:08

Could the competition be that she can see you're never fussed by anything she has to say in relation to competition and she wants to intentionally trigger you, so she has won on the sense of being able to get your back up about something when you're usually so level headed?

Could be way off the mark with this, but just trying to understand what her point is of keep going on about it. Your children will always be older than hers. Perhaps there's something in the attention you had before she was pregnant and she's trying to claim that attention back in the younger child stakes.

This does seem very odd, but I am interested in the psychology behind her actions. Can only assume whilst outwardly she seems happy, inside must be a different story.

I’m also trying to work out the psychology.

I think what it boils down to is the need for attention/admiration and the need to win and be seen to have won. In this case young mothers with small kids get attention.
She played a lot of sport as a kid, it was a huge thing in her family and she was good at sport. So maybe that s where it started.

When people say insecurity it doesn’t quite fit.
For example, I believe she’s very confident in her looks. What I don’t understand is why the rest of us need to validate that confidence.

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the7Vabo · 01/08/2024 16:11

paradisecircus · 30/07/2024 14:20

I have a friend like this - not the same subjects, but the same type of behaviour. She's quite a together, confident person, so the perpetual need to compare herself to others, reassuring herself that she's better at X or Y always feels odd.
I guess it usually comes down to some form of insecurity and is a hard habit to shift.
I would either grey rock the comments when they're made, or pick her up on specific ones at the time ("That sounds a bit competitive, was it meant to?" type thing). If you try and have a general word about it, it's too easy to minimise or deny.

Bingo on your first paragraph. My friend is also a very confident, outgoing and very flirty person. The last thing you would think if you met her would be that she’s insecure.

I like “that sounds competitive…” I’ve thought about saying something like “gosh this feels oddly competitive which is weird…”

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the7Vabo · 01/08/2024 16:07

takealettermsjones · 28/07/2024 08:42

To be honest I'm not seeing the need for any of this drama. If a "friend" of mine said my kids were middle aged I'd ask what on earth they were talking about, and to any comparisons I'd remind them there is literally nine months between the kids and to stop being so ridiculous. I wouldn't be "triggered" by it or bang on about it. She sounds like a pain in the arse and I couldn't be bothered being friends with her, but there's something odd in the way you're responding to all this too.

Have you decided what you're going to do about it?

Thanks for all your replies.

If your friend said “middle aged” once and you pointed out an age gap end of conversation that would be fairly normal.

However this isn’t once or twice. It’s constant. I know myself when you have a friend with a child a couple of years older it can sometimes feel like a planet you haven’t visited yet.

But this feels like more than that. Like it’s a tug of war for attention even though we are the only two people in the room. It’s almost like I had my baby time to shine now it’s her turn and I need to get out of the way.

But what frustrates me the most is she can’t ever do anything quietly. Like in this case if she thinks my kids are so old and hers are babies why can’t she just think it. Instead she brings up how I’m at a “different stage” to her, or “I’m done” (both her words) constantly.

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deeahgwitch · 01/08/2024 15:14

LLresident · 01/08/2024 10:12

Ditch her and find some new friends who aren’t dicks.

This 💯

LLresident · 01/08/2024 10:12

Ditch her and find some new friends who aren’t dicks.

DearDenimEagle · 30/07/2024 18:03

the7Vabo · 26/07/2024 18:17

I thought it would pass tbh, I thought sure let’s just get past the young kids stage and the age thing will fade away. There is obviously a big difference between an 18 month old and a newborn but it’s not as significant when they are older so I thought it would just stop being a topic of conversation. Now it feels like it will never end.

I also feels that she senses it annoys me but instead of letting it go she amps it up.

It won’t pass. She has low self esteem and a desperate need to feel superior to everyone , which she can only achieve by insulting and trying to demean others to boost her own ego. It’s narcissism , and only gets worse with age. Can’t be helped, can’t be cured. The worse she can make you feel, the better she feels about herself. She will pick on the children as they grow up. Toxic toxic toxic, yet narcs can play the victim to get sympathy and keep people on side by being nice some of the time. That’s a game to them . They do lack empathy but have cognitive empathy…they have watched and learned how they should react to appear empathetic. You should distance yourself for your children’s sake, as they will feel the jibes as they grow up and become more aware

paradisecircus · 30/07/2024 14:20

I have a friend like this - not the same subjects, but the same type of behaviour. She's quite a together, confident person, so the perpetual need to compare herself to others, reassuring herself that she's better at X or Y always feels odd.
I guess it usually comes down to some form of insecurity and is a hard habit to shift.
I would either grey rock the comments when they're made, or pick her up on specific ones at the time ("That sounds a bit competitive, was it meant to?" type thing). If you try and have a general word about it, it's too easy to minimise or deny.

hollyblueivy · 30/07/2024 14:08

Could the competition be that she can see you're never fussed by anything she has to say in relation to competition and she wants to intentionally trigger you, so she has won on the sense of being able to get your back up about something when you're usually so level headed?

Could be way off the mark with this, but just trying to understand what her point is of keep going on about it. Your children will always be older than hers. Perhaps there's something in the attention you had before she was pregnant and she's trying to claim that attention back in the younger child stakes.

This does seem very odd, but I am interested in the psychology behind her actions. Can only assume whilst outwardly she seems happy, inside must be a different story.

Whataretalkingabout · 30/07/2024 13:43

Pinkbonbon · 27/07/2024 10:45

She's not your friend. Narcissists don't have friends, only competitors.

This definitely.

And they wear you down slowly and surely. This kind of person is really screwed up and makes you question yourself and reality. It is gaslighting. Even if she doesn't do it on purpose she can't help it and will not change. You cannot help her. This is who she is.
Ask yourself OP, why do you think having a friend like this can be good for you and your self-esteem?

Bootsforboots · 30/07/2024 13:43

She’s sounds very insecure and perhaps lacks self worth. I’d just flip it in the head each time she says something about your child being ‘old’ and positively agree ‘I know, I’m so glad I’m out of the nappy stage’ or ‘it’s amazing how much they learn and grow in such a small space of time’ and if you want to give her a taste of her own medicine maybe add something like ‘don’t worry you’re little one will catch up soon’ or ‘not long before you’ll experience for yourself soon enough’. She’ll soon stop when she realised she hasn’t (and can’t) have one up on you.

I think you are a great friend btw. Your friend has her own issues but you are there to support her and not take them personally as deep down you know it’s not you, it’s her.

outdamnedspots · 30/07/2024 11:02

She is great fun and to be fair when things are going badly she can be very supportive

I bet she can. Because she's pleased that things are going badly for you and she can step in and be the saviour. Another way in which she 'wins'.

She sounds deeply annoying and boring. I've never heard anyone call a small child 'middle-aged'. Wtf?!

DearDenimEagle · 30/07/2024 10:46

With friends like that, who needs enemies?
I take it her 4 year old didn’t become middle aged like yours did? Her 3.5 year old won’t be middle aged at 4 either. Friends don’t make digs all the time and you’re encouraging and enabling her, even normalising it by accepting it.
She is beyond toxic. I pity her children.

Almostneverunreasonable · 30/07/2024 08:47

Sounds like the opposite situation with my MIL. SIL’s child was 9 months older than my first and wow, all the comments about mine being ‘behind’! Never younger, just ‘behind’.
It doesn’t stop, SIL’s child has hit puberty earlier and MIL is now constantly making comments, now not just to me, but to my son as well.

With your friend being so competitive, maybe she feels that yours are ‘ahead’ and is trying to negate it with the all the ‘older being bad’ comments. I know how irritating this comparison behaviour is, having endured it myself but honestly it will not stop, so you either take a step back or endure it with as much grace as you can muster.

Desmodici · 30/07/2024 07:57

You say you think she notices her comments annoy you, and instead of backing off, she amps it up. So she's intentionally trying to upset you. And you think she's a friend?
She doesn't see you as a friend, you are simply a narcissist's supply. Any good thing she's done for you is to give you just enough to keep you hanging on, and/or to feed her ego.
I understand you have this shared history, but I would be making sure my friendship with her is history. People who consistently attempt to cause negative feelings are not people I want in my life.

Marseillaise · 30/07/2024 07:56

Start pointing out babies and smaller children and point out how elderly her children are in comparison. When she gets sniffy, remind her that that's what she's always like with yours.

honeylulu · 30/07/2024 07:56

She sounds nuts. "Middle aged kids" - WTF?

I think your comment is spot on regarding "queen of all castles". That's not only what she wants/expects to be but she seems to be really anxious about losing her place, a bit like the queen in snow white. No wonder she gets told "you are the fairest".

She sounds utterly self absorbed though, can't even have a normal conversation without obsessing about her top ranking! I don't think I could bear her company.

The insisting her kids are so young/babyish is a bit odd. Must competitive parents are desperate to tell everyone how advanced their entirely ordinary children are.

Johnthesensible · 30/07/2024 07:21

Clearly an attention seeker. Also an element of low self esteem. She wants your approval to confirm she looks great. Now she seems to be on the 'my kids are better than yours' stage.

Move on from this nonsense. She is all about her. Find another friend'.

Tumblingjungleofchaos · 28/07/2024 11:52

StormingNorman · 26/07/2024 16:05

It’s not about your kids or her kids. It’s vanity. Her kids are young and cute because they are an extension of her, and she is young and cute.

Yeah sounds like she's deeply insecure about getting older/being seen as "only" a Mum or something so she has to make her experience so validating - so she puts you down to make herself feel better.

A twat, basically.

deeahgwitch · 28/07/2024 09:09

Why on earth would you stay friends with someone so odd ?
Her competitiveness will only get worse when the children go to school.
I'd gradually fade out of the "friendship"
She upsets you.
Who needs such drama in their life ?

Fifiesta · 28/07/2024 09:01

Your ‘friend’ has real problems with her conversational subject matter, how she processes her thoughts, and how she expresses them.

It’s lovely to have old friends, people you have known through all the earlier stages of your overlapping lives. However it can also warp your sense of loyalty.
Is that shared history now being placed above all other concerns? Have you allowed it stop you from fully reassessing your current feelings about her behaviour to yourself, and more importantly her reaction to your children going forward?
How long will it be before they start to be aware of her attitude towards them and feel uncomfortable about it?

Try to be completely honest with yourself, if you had a more recent friendship with her, would you find her attitude intolerable?

It would be admirable to have an honest conversation with her about it. But ultimately, if she can’t accept how toxic and tedious she is being, (and sadly there is a good chance she won’t) - be prepared to let your old friendship go.

NellePorter · 28/07/2024 08:44

Please nip this in the bud now.
When her children start school she will be unbearable!

takealettermsjones · 28/07/2024 08:42

To be honest I'm not seeing the need for any of this drama. If a "friend" of mine said my kids were middle aged I'd ask what on earth they were talking about, and to any comparisons I'd remind them there is literally nine months between the kids and to stop being so ridiculous. I wouldn't be "triggered" by it or bang on about it. She sounds like a pain in the arse and I couldn't be bothered being friends with her, but there's something odd in the way you're responding to all this too.

Have you decided what you're going to do about it?

Tiredsendcoffee · 28/07/2024 08:38

I think it's time you were blunt with her tbh. If she's self aware then she needs to be properly told.