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Can ex demand holiday details?

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BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:07

Two kids are under five. First court hearing about the kids is next week. Ex doesn't see kids at the moment due to concerns about his ability to look after the kids. Police investigating ex assaulting me since our split.
I gave 6 weeks notice of a UK holiday. Now 5 weeks later, 1 week before we go, ex tells me he does not give permission for the children to go unless he has the address and who is going on the trip. I could have guessed this would happen as control was an issue throughout.
Now I am happy to tell him the county as a location, and make sure he understands that the kids will videocall at the same time and day as normal as one videocall falls while we are away. I don't want to tell him anything else as I'm really looking forward to not having to look over my shoulder while away.

Is that reasonable or do I need to tell him all details?

He's done this because I stopped a videocall yesterday that was nearly an hour long where he was watching the kids play but they weren't engaging with him. It was past their bedtime and rather than relaxing they were running around getting hyped up.

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jeaux90 · 26/07/2024 08:36

Once you get a CAO in place it will allow you to take them out of the country too without his permission for a few weeks every year.

You don't need to tell him where you are no.

Well done for leaving.

Illpickthatup · 26/07/2024 08:35

travellinglighter · 26/07/2024 07:15

Just look up a hotel in a place you aren’t going to and give him those details.

Honestly, I wouldn't even do this as it'll make him think he has the right to know these things. Just ignore him.

BookArt · 26/07/2024 08:31

@Deadbeatex thank you so much for this. I really needed to hear it. I've been stressing that this is never going to get any better despite the growth me and the kids have had in the 6 months since we left. As you know, it's just draining, so it is lovely that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

I think I'm angry at myself for having got myself in this situation. Despite knowing that this stuff creeps up on you and it wasn't until we moved out and I opened up did I realise how not okay the relationship was. Definitely need to keep working on reframing the way I think.

So glad you and your kids are in such a good place!

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Stepawayfromthecomputer · 26/07/2024 08:26

Given the history you should not give him information as you don't want him turning up/stalking you/ruining the holiday. I'd document his request though.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 26/07/2024 08:24

An hour long video call for under 5s is crazy

husbAnd currently away and my 3 year old loves and misses him always asking to ring him

but she manages 5 mins chat with him and then is off doing something else

BookArt · 26/07/2024 08:24

@HanaLou good point, i was just thinking the same thing, I would want to know if they were in his care. Hopefully when we get to the point of him have unsupervised time a parenting plan can be put in place which puts these guidelines in place (even though they can be ignored!) .

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BookArt · 26/07/2024 08:21

@Goldbar Thank you for this. I do set up an activity like colouring or lego which has helped a lot because before they saw it as a chore. The ppt idea is a good one!

@Browniesandcustard no set time or set anything from the court at the moment.

@MrsTartanTeacosy The last three phonecalls have resulted in him messaging after saying how out of order I am, or saying I did something wrong during the phonecall when it was actually him, or other unkind remarks, all on a coparenting app. I'm getting better managing it as now I just hang up and document it. And I've stopped answering most messages or direct him to my solicitor for all of my wrongdoing. I think if he continues with this behaviour the video calls will stop, he's forcing me to stop them. I'm only doing them for the kids.

Thank you for this guidance, a great idea.

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HanaLou · 26/07/2024 08:19

Just remember that whatever you agree has to work the other way too.

Any information you give or don't give, will be the same for you. Thinking about the DC’s needs as the priority will keep things objective.

So ‘when we go on holiday in the UK, we don't need to give each other the details of where we are but the DC’s will call you twice a week.’ Applies to both parents.

Of course, any safeguarding issues will affect the agreed ‘rules’.

MrsTartanTeacosy · 26/07/2024 08:00

You know video calls aren’t compulsory? For some, exes use them as an easy way to still manipulate. You can just have telephone calls.
Other people have advised you re holiday, but I would add that you will get better at not reacting to his bullying. Can I suggest you speak to your solicitor and get a clear list of what you do need his permission for (changing schools/medical emergencies etc) and what you don’t. You’ll then feel more confident in seeing the bullying as the nasty rubbish it is.
Enjoy your time away.

Soontobe60 · 26/07/2024 07:53

Not only would I not be telling him the exact location I would also be curtailing the length of video calls. Him sat on a phone watching the kids play for an hour is slightly creepy.

Browniesandcustard · 26/07/2024 07:53

Don’t tell him where you are going, he doesn’t need to know and he can’t stop you going as you’re staying in England.

As someone has already said, check that there is nothing he can have access to - location, your home wifi, etc. he cannot stop you taking them and you can just add this to the list of things as to how he is trying to control you.

Keep the video calls short and perhaps do what a poster has suggested and have a little activity set up for them. When they’ve had enough, encourage a cheery wave and then turn the call off. Has there been a set length of time agreed to by your solicitor or just how many calls per week?

Deadbeatex · 26/07/2024 07:50

Do we have the same ex?! I could've written this post myself. I too struggled and despite leaving him realised at various points he was still controlling me, don't call yourself stupid for this please. You've been living with his control and abuse for so long that you've normalised behaviours and it takes time to break those patterns. Please contact womens aid, speak to trusted friends, ask on here, people outside of the situation can more easily see what's really happening and help you see what's control.

STOP feeling guilty, you haven't "deprived" him of his children, you've stopped him having access to you not them, he could make arrangements to have supervised contact and it's HIS actions that have led to you safeguarding yourself and your children.

I'm 2yrs post leaving him and with a lot of support from womens aid, social worker, solicitor, trusted friend, my mam and the odd post on here, I'm now fully free of his control and me and the DC are thriving. Don't put yourself down for realising things after they happen please, just be glad you've realised and that you are getting stronger and freer of him

Goldbar · 26/07/2024 07:48

Just tell him you're not obliged to give him the details - you don't want him making demands in future.

If you do want to facilitate video call contact, I have quite a bit of experience doing this with grandparents and a 2-3yo during Covid. I'd put together a tray with playdoh or sand or a few little toys at the table for DC to play with and my mother would prepare a book or something to read to my DC with a few sound or visual effects on PowerPoint. This worked well because we all put the effort in but we were very glad when the need for it stopped! You can't really expect little ones to have a proper conversation over the phone.

BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:47

@notbelieved that is so strange and scary for you! Put useful that you had evidence!

Definitely need to put the boundary in place. Agree with you! Thank you for sharing.

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Theunamedcat · 26/07/2024 07:45

Scan your car for trackers and check location sharing is off on your phone

Tell him no your not going overseas you don't need to give him that information

BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:45

@RB68 yesterday he eventually said about doing a story, but they wanted to see the pictures and not him, he said they had to see him. He also chose the longest book and not the most exciting story so they just weren't in to it.

He wanted daily calls and I've used my solicitor to get it to two a week.

Thanks you!

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RB68 · 26/07/2024 07:40

Be a bit careful if you are based in England and Wales and the holiday is within E&W you will be fine, he doesn't need to know where you are but if you are driving do not allow him or anyone else access to the vehicle in case they put a tracker on it. Also that your payment method is not linked to any shared account or previously shared account he may have any sort of access to.

If you are going from E&W to Scotland you could have problems as they are technically another jurisdiction and you would be taking them out of the jurisdiction. Although if no one knows...

Like I say just be wary of anything that can be tracked like phone location, trackers, airtag in kids belongings etc.

Oh and watching them play ...weird and controlling. Be clear in court what a call means and that children will not be forceably sat on them and held to them etc. Daily calls are not necessary either, although you could get him to do a story time or something - more of a wind down thing.

notbelieved · 26/07/2024 07:39

Don't lie, OP. It could backfire - I didnknow it at the time but I once took my kids to my parents and the ex foĺlowed - saw it in his bank statements when divorcing. He had literally followed me around for a week - shopping in the same shopping centres, eating at a local restaurant, petrol bought at the station nearest my parents, huge bill at an excellent hotel. Absokute piss take. I used it against him when seeking residence, believe me! Did him no good. You are not obliged to give the details, so don't. Put your boundaries in and hold them.

AppleKatie · 26/07/2024 07:39

I don’t see how he could check you are anywhere without actually turning up. In which case if he turns up several 100 miles from where you are that would be ideal!

if he rang a holiday place and said who he is surely they wouldn’t confirm or deny your booking- GDPR and all that.

BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:38

@Motomum23 thank you for this, you're right. I'm new to this so actually having someone spelling this stuff out is really useful.

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BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:36

Thank you, this is really useful!!!!!!!! @AquaFurball

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Motomum23 · 26/07/2024 07:33

Definitely don't allow his video calls to be just the kids displaying normal life. He doesn't have the right to a view into your home.
Don't tell him where you are going if its in the same country you do not require his permission.

Mumandnan53 · 26/07/2024 07:32

AquaFurball · 26/07/2024 07:23

Pick a random hotel/caravan site/cave from about 100 miles away and tell him that. You're not leaving the UK, he can't make any demands.

Don't do this! He will check that you are there.

I think the 'who' is going is relevant. Just state 'I am not required to give you those details. Your videocassette will go ahead as planned.' Leave it as that

AquaFurball · 26/07/2024 07:32

BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:25

Thank you, we live in England and the holiday is in England. No court order yet. No court directed instructions at all yet.

100% will now will cutting the phone calls down. I've realised he just pushes every boundary and I'm allowing it. Normally the kids say they've had enough after a chat and they say goodbye and hang up. But the kids have withdrawn from him and I have guilt it is because I stopped supervising visits since the assault. Last night they didn't engage at all so I just propped the phone up and we carried on as normal. It won't be happening again. Give an inch and they take a mile is such a true saying.

The average 5 year old has an attention span of 15 minutes, there is no need for the video calls to be any longer than that for your children (and that's being very generous to him).

Hopefully court directed instructions will give you all the support you need. Good luck next week and have a wonderful holiday!

BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:31

Thank you, I think I might do this. I need to make it clear that I won't be giving him all of this info moving forward.

100% about the hour long phone call. I'm an idiot. Won't be happening again.

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