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Can ex demand holiday details?

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BookArt · 26/07/2024 07:07

Two kids are under five. First court hearing about the kids is next week. Ex doesn't see kids at the moment due to concerns about his ability to look after the kids. Police investigating ex assaulting me since our split.
I gave 6 weeks notice of a UK holiday. Now 5 weeks later, 1 week before we go, ex tells me he does not give permission for the children to go unless he has the address and who is going on the trip. I could have guessed this would happen as control was an issue throughout.
Now I am happy to tell him the county as a location, and make sure he understands that the kids will videocall at the same time and day as normal as one videocall falls while we are away. I don't want to tell him anything else as I'm really looking forward to not having to look over my shoulder while away.

Is that reasonable or do I need to tell him all details?

He's done this because I stopped a videocall yesterday that was nearly an hour long where he was watching the kids play but they weren't engaging with him. It was past their bedtime and rather than relaxing they were running around getting hyped up.

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TeaGinandFags · 26/07/2024 10:14

Since you are still going through court, it may be an idea you chat to your solicitor about this. They will be used to this behaviour and will be able to advise you.

Re trackers, get a garage to do this. Yes it will cost, but they should be sympathetic and do a good job. If they find anything you're laughing.

I would advise motion sensor cameras. That way any nocturnal visits, to put trackers in place etc, are recorded.

Theunamedcat · 26/07/2024 09:58

CandiedPrincess · 26/07/2024 09:02

Responses on here are bonkers. If this was a woman wanting to know where her kids were going, everybody would be up in arms saying she has the right to know because of course a mother should know where her kids are at all times.

Not if she is abusive

I have an abusive ex and when he bothered with his children I would tell him where we went on holiday "Blackpool" "london" "Scotland" I wouldn't tell him exactly but he would get a general area

CautiousLurker · 26/07/2024 09:48

SpringleDingle · 26/07/2024 07:11

No, unless there is a court order giving him the right to know this information or to prevent a holiday taking place he does not have the right. Ignore him, enjoy your holiday!

This - you only need permission if you are taking them out of the country. He’s being a dick. Ignore him.

IsitaHatOrACat · 26/07/2024 09:41

Well done OP for leaving him and for questioning what he's telling you.
I was in a similar situation many years ago. ExH used to insist on daily phone calls to DC and I facilitated it as I though it was in my child's best interest. In hindsight it was all about controlling me. ExH wanted to know what I was doing and that I was at home. Womens aid really helped me
You're doing great. Stay strong and you will learn to trust your instincts again in time.

6pence · 26/07/2024 09:18

CandiedPrincess · 26/07/2024 09:02

Responses on here are bonkers. If this was a woman wanting to know where her kids were going, everybody would be up in arms saying she has the right to know because of course a mother should know where her kids are at all times.

But not if she was abusive.

In a normal civil relationship, of course it would be courteous to communicate such info.

Crumpleton · 26/07/2024 09:17

Please don't lie about where you're going, if he finds out he will throw that at you at every opportunity and question as to whether anything you say in future is true, not because what you say won't be but so he can just keep reminding you of how he caught you out.

CallItLoneliness · 26/07/2024 09:17

CandiedPrincess · 26/07/2024 09:02

Responses on here are bonkers. If this was a woman wanting to know where her kids were going, everybody would be up in arms saying she has the right to know because of course a mother should know where her kids are at all times.

Did you miss the bit where he physically assaulted her and has been controlling for some time? That rather changes things, no?

BibbleandSqwauk · 26/07/2024 09:07

CandiedPrincess · 26/07/2024 09:02

Responses on here are bonkers. If this was a woman wanting to know where her kids were going, everybody would be up in arms saying she has the right to know because of course a mother should know where her kids are at all times.

Nope. Sorry. When my ex takes the kids away I'll know it's Cornwall or France, near X or whatever but I have no need to know beyond that.

Illpickthatup · 26/07/2024 09:06

The thing is, when you split from your child other parent you lose control over a lot of things. Unfortunately there's not much you can do about that but you can decide how much control they continue to have over you.

"Treat others as you wish to be treated" is a nice sentiment but doesn't really work with someone like your ex. Just because you share certain information with him doesn't mean he'll return the favour.

My DHs ex is horrid. When we got together he told her about me when we knew things were serious and he wanted to introduce me to the kids. He thought this was the right thing to do and it probably was. But did she do the same when she met someone? Did she heck. We found out her new boyfriend had moved in after the fact and the poor kids went home to some guy sitting topless on their sofa.

I've learned the hard way to keep information sharing to an absolute minimum. Yes, it's hard not knowing where's she takes my DSD or does on her time but there's nothing we can do about that. So instead we protect our privacy and sanity on our end.

CoatesCat · 26/07/2024 09:06

Don't treat him how you would like to be treated. He's an abusive arsehole and will take any opportunity to abuse you. You telling him where you are going this time will absolutely make no difference to him telling you where he takes them on holiday. He will use that information as a weapon regardless of how you reasonable and reciprocal you are. You don't need to act like the better person just protect yourself and your children

CandiedPrincess · 26/07/2024 09:02

Responses on here are bonkers. If this was a woman wanting to know where her kids were going, everybody would be up in arms saying she has the right to know because of course a mother should know where her kids are at all times.

NotARealWookiie · 26/07/2024 09:02

In a normal civil co parenting relationship, it would be reasonable to tell you ex about what the children are up to and let them know about holidays even in the UK - but this isn’t civil due to the context of controlling behaviour and domestic abuse.

You have parental responsibility for your own children and you live in England, so you can take your children wherever you like, you don’t have to ask his permission to go on a holiday anymore than you would have to tell him you are going to the park or to visit you aunt Doris in the next village.

Abroad would be different but generally courts still take a dim view of a parent stopping their children going on holiday to get at their ex.

socks1107 · 26/07/2024 09:02

We had it written into court orders both with my ex and my dh ex. Worked both ways and we shared details a month before.
That being said he can't stop you holidaying in the uk

Whatabonkersworld · 26/07/2024 09:00

Someone earlier in the post mentioned airtags and I thought this might be helpful.How to Find an Apple AirTag Hidden in Your Car and Stop It from Tracking You – iDrop News although it could only be in your car as he doesn't see the children. Do you have family nearby that you could borrow a vehicle from that he doesn't know? I would also consider not telling him what day you plan to leave in case he follows you. It's a horrible situation to be in.
I've been where you are as well and it takes a long time to get your head straight and make friends with yourself again! Very happy for you that you have separated from your abuser and I hope you have a very happy future with the wee'uns!

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BookArt · 26/07/2024 08:58

@Fupoffyagrasshole@Fupoffyagrasshole I agree with you, 3minutes is the running theme at the moment with my youngest. That isn't good enough apparently and my fault.

@NSA2103 @pansypotteratemyheartout i'm going to tell him the area as I would want to know if it was the other way around. The whole 'treat others as you want to be treated' has been repeating through my head since we split.. At the moment I am not reacting to anything, taking a moment before I reply and ignoring the emotion and trying to just answer the facts. Unfortunately his behaviour continues to escalate and the children have witnessed some of it even since we moved out, so I am having to put boundaries in place to keep us safe. Although I'm dreading court, the idea that they decide and it is taken out of my hands and we both have to follow the rules laid out is actually a bit of a blessing right now as I can do no right. I'm hoping that once a court order is in place that things can then settle and in years to come can just be civil for the kids and not put them in the middle (sports day was a disaster for our eldest). I do understand your advice and really do take it on board, as we are now in each other's lives forever whether we like it or not.

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greeneyessparksfly · 26/07/2024 08:57

I can completely see why you don’t want to tell him, but playing devils advocate here - eventually there might be a time where he is able to take the children away on his own. Do you think if you withhold information when it comes to the time he could potentially go away with them would you be comfortable not knowing where they were? If he chose to not tell you anything at all as a way of getting back at you? He sounds absolutely awful and he’s clearly being manipulative and controlling, but just something to bare in mind. Better the devil you know I guess. I hope you have a restful holiday and get a chance to relax and unwind a bit, it sounds like you’ve had a stressful time.

edited to add: what I mean is he refuses to tell you as a way of getting back at you

BibbleandSqwauk · 26/07/2024 08:57

One thing jumped out at me from your posts "he said I had to tell him". Do not take at face value anything he says. Lots of men do this around divorce issues..often if they are the one traditionally dealing with official stuff, with the "big job" and have been used to calling the shots. They tell their stbxw they will not get x,y or z or that they can't do whatever. Usually it's totally bollocks. In a non abusive relationship id say no harm in giving the details but in your case I absolutely wouldn't. You're doing all the right things with boundaries and you'll find the kids find their own dynamic on facetime. It has to be led by them which means probably not a lot of chat. Good luck.

DeathNote11 · 26/07/2024 08:50

Why does he even know you're going on holiday? Do not give a controlling ex ANY information at all about your lives unless court ordered to do so. It waters down your case if you do, 'he's so abusive yet you volunteered information on your whereabouts to him? You can't be that scared of him' are questions that you WILL be asked if you persist in this manner. And video contact should be 15 mins maximum, you keep hold of the phone & when the child stops engaging, you hang up.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 26/07/2024 08:48

Theunamedcat · 26/07/2024 07:45

Scan your car for trackers and check location sharing is off on your phone

Tell him no your not going overseas you don't need to give him that information

This.

Sunshineafterthehail · 26/07/2024 08:46

Personally I can't imagine a judge ordering calls given he is using it as a window to abuse you.
Keep details of the aftermath....

TheFlis · 26/07/2024 08:43

NSA2103 · 26/07/2024 08:37

I'm a father, separated in late 2017, and well out the other side of a very messy break-up. In the heat of the separation, I wish someone had sat both of us down and firmly asked us this really important question:

What co-parenting relationship do you want with your ex, after all the dust has settled?

Every nasty act, on both sides, will make you less able to successfully co-parent together in the future. And if, deep down, you are good people - trust me - you'll have regrets later about how conducted yourselves during the separation/dispute phase.

He assaulted her!! That ship has sailed.

Zanatdy · 26/07/2024 08:39

If it’s a UK holiday he has no say in anything. Tell him you don’t need his permission so him refusing means nothing. I wouldn’t tell him anything about it

Deadbeatex · 26/07/2024 08:39

BookArt · 26/07/2024 08:31

@Deadbeatex thank you so much for this. I really needed to hear it. I've been stressing that this is never going to get any better despite the growth me and the kids have had in the 6 months since we left. As you know, it's just draining, so it is lovely that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

I think I'm angry at myself for having got myself in this situation. Despite knowing that this stuff creeps up on you and it wasn't until we moved out and I opened up did I realise how not okay the relationship was. Definitely need to keep working on reframing the way I think.

So glad you and your kids are in such a good place!

If he hit you on your first date would you have agreed to a second date? No of course you wouldn't. He showed you only his best side until you fell in love and then very slowly he began to show his true self, it creeps up on you and he makes you normalise the small changes until he's showing his true colours fully but to you this is just normal 🤷🏼‍♀️ You however found the strength to leave, so many posts on here scream LTB, hell even I've screamed it, but we both know it's really not that straightforward or easy, we did it though and that's what you need to focus on.

Please seek help to change your mindset from victim blaming and guilt to placing the blame where it belongs and being guilt free. It's not easy and you will likely in future kick yourself again as you realise you've allowed behaviour that actually you shouldn't, but each realisation takes you a step closer to being fully free so a small kick but then stride forward 😉

pansypotteratemyheartout · 26/07/2024 08:38

If there’s no court order in place, you don’t have to tell him.

However, with an impending court date, you need to look super reasonable and communicative. On this basis, I would tell him we’re visiting X city with friends/family.

Withholding information about his children could also be deemed as controlling.

NSA2103 · 26/07/2024 08:37

I'm a father, separated in late 2017, and well out the other side of a very messy break-up. In the heat of the separation, I wish someone had sat both of us down and firmly asked us this really important question:

What co-parenting relationship do you want with your ex, after all the dust has settled?

Every nasty act, on both sides, will make you less able to successfully co-parent together in the future. And if, deep down, you are good people - trust me - you'll have regrets later about how conducted yourselves during the separation/dispute phase.