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To stop my kids dad's new GF take my kids for the day

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Sunsparkles · 25/07/2024 15:28

My ex has a new GF, been together approx 4.5 months. Our kids (both under 10yrs) have met her a few times and she has stayed over at his and they have stayed over once with their dad at hers. He will soon be moving in with her and the kids will visit there on his weekends.

He intends to let her take our kids to a theme park tomorrow without him.

I have said categorically no to this. AIBU?

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GreatScroller · 11/11/2024 06:38

You are not being unreasonable! I can’t believe anyone would think you were. I wouldn’t let anyone I barely know look after my kids and your ex has only known her 4 months. If they were serious after about a year or so then yeah. You’re not some crazy jealous ex because of that

Jumblebum · 27/07/2024 11:36

Kag13 · 26/07/2024 22:11

Family lawyer’s input here -

Dads contact time is for the Dad and the children - they are not able to ’just leave them with anyone they choose’ as some posters have (incorrectly) said.

if they do, highly possible that Mum will stop agreeing to contact. If he has to go to court to sort things out he will be lucky to get a court date for months. Much better for him to agree sensibly with you when and by whom your children will be cared for.

New relationship - generally six months at least, although of course every case is different.

Hope that’s helpful.

Edited

This just isn't that case in the family law cases I know about. He has parental responsibility and an established (informal) contact pattern. There have been no reported concerns about his parenting. In my experience a good solicitor would recommend mediation but ultimately let her know that a sheriff would be likely formalise his contact time not remove it.

HanaLou · 27/07/2024 10:05

Kag13 · 26/07/2024 22:11

Family lawyer’s input here -

Dads contact time is for the Dad and the children - they are not able to ’just leave them with anyone they choose’ as some posters have (incorrectly) said.

if they do, highly possible that Mum will stop agreeing to contact. If he has to go to court to sort things out he will be lucky to get a court date for months. Much better for him to agree sensibly with you when and by whom your children will be cared for.

New relationship - generally six months at least, although of course every case is different.

Hope that’s helpful.

Edited

Interesting, absolutely not what my barrister advised.
Very much, ‘he is a responsible adult and unless deemed otherwise has the capacity to make decisions (as I have), about who cares for the DC’s’.

The only impact is on maintenance. If he leaves them elsewhere ( in my case with his elderly DM) those nights are not included in his ‘overnight care’ and his payments are worked out accordingly.

littleorchard45 · 26/07/2024 22:23

I’m the new woman. Or I was 14 years ago. My (now) husband didn’t leave his wife for me btw. I have a fantastic relationship with my stepkids and would do anything for them. Don’t mistake genuine caring for anything else.

Kag13 · 26/07/2024 22:11

Family lawyer’s input here -

Dads contact time is for the Dad and the children - they are not able to ’just leave them with anyone they choose’ as some posters have (incorrectly) said.

if they do, highly possible that Mum will stop agreeing to contact. If he has to go to court to sort things out he will be lucky to get a court date for months. Much better for him to agree sensibly with you when and by whom your children will be cared for.

New relationship - generally six months at least, although of course every case is different.

Hope that’s helpful.

Sprogonthetyne · 26/07/2024 21:39

Whilst I wouldn't be thrilled, if it's on his time, it's his call. He doesn't get to dictate who you might have watch the kids during your time, and you shouldn't on his.

11oclockrock · 26/07/2024 21:21

I feel very sorry for these children who've been introduced to girlfriend after girlfriend. This is very destabilising for them. They will eventually realise their dad doesn't GAF about them 😔

Lollipop81 · 26/07/2024 20:53

as he is your stepson I am assuming you were together longer than 4 months when you started taking him swimming. That is the issue here, the short amount of time he has known her

Lollipop81 · 26/07/2024 20:50

I don’t care whose day it is my kids wouldn’t be going off with someone on their own when their dad had only known her 4 months. Just no. They wouldn’t be going anywhere on their own if it was my boyfriend who id been with for 4 months either. Not that I would even be introducing them at that stage anyway.
you don’t just give up being a parent because it’s not your day. Put your foot down and say no. Ignore some of the idiotic comments on here about jealousy and you should think yourself lucky she wants to take them. Trust your instincts.

pollymere · 26/07/2024 20:42

I'd be asking about parental responsibility if there was an accident... Otherwise, Unfortunately, it's up to him.

Beezknees · 26/07/2024 19:49

It's not your choice.

I absolutely understand why you wouldn't be happy with it but either he is fit to look after the children (in which case you have to trust his judgment when they are with him) or he is not fit to look after them, in which case you need to go to court to prevent unsupervised contact.

HennyPenny23 · 26/07/2024 19:45

Didsomeonesaydogs · 25/07/2024 16:33

Surely the purpose of his parenting time is so that the kids get to spend time with their dad? Not some random woman he met a few weeks ago that he’s just offloading his obligations onto.

I’d be really miffed too!

Is there any “right of first refusal” written into your parenting/custody plan?

I’m not sure that the ‘purpose’ of the parenting time is to spend time with their Dad. If two parents are dividing their time, it’s very likely that either parent has to work and arrange childcare if required on their days. It is up to the individual parent to make the choice. The other parent has no right of veto, whether they plan to use e.g a childminder, relative or friend. The other parent doesn’t even have to tell you. If you have any safeguarding concerns that is a different matter, but assuming you haven’t, difficult as it is there is nothing you can do. Rather than saying you will refuse to ‘allow’ this - maybe ask if you can meet her so you can put your mind at rest? Otherwise enjoy your day ‘off’

Annierob · 26/07/2024 19:38

It would be a no from me. I am divorced and was furious when the gf took my son out for the day. The dad takes or at least is with them or my son stays with me. Children are not toys.

2sisters · 26/07/2024 18:43

Craftycariad · 26/07/2024 18:13

Well this idiot did exactly that 37 years ago, and we are very happily married and have 17 grand children and a host of great grand children. Some times we as parents make the right decision for us and not for others around us. You trusted his judgement enough to have a child with him. Trust he wants the best for them now too and realizes they will thoroughly enjoy the theme park

He's on his 8th or 9th gf the kids have met in the last 2.5yrs, the 4th he has been going to move in with. He's an irresponsible prick. With incredibly bad judgement.

I'm glad it worked out for you but hasn't worked out for him the last 9 GF he introduced to his kids to nor has he learnt anything because he continues to introduce his kids to people he's known for minutes. I had mouldy food in my fridge longer than his relationship last. His kids emotional wellbeing should come before his penis.

Craftycariad · 26/07/2024 18:13

2sisters · 25/07/2024 18:19

Your ex is an idiot. What sort of dickhead introduced his kids to a new GF and moved in after 4 months. He really doesn't have your kids best interests at heart and is only thinking with his prick. Unfortunately, I don't think theirs a huge amount you can do about it if it's his contact time.

Well this idiot did exactly that 37 years ago, and we are very happily married and have 17 grand children and a host of great grand children. Some times we as parents make the right decision for us and not for others around us. You trusted his judgement enough to have a child with him. Trust he wants the best for them now too and realizes they will thoroughly enjoy the theme park

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/07/2024 22:20

Sunsparkles · 25/07/2024 18:23

Goodness, wasn't expecting quite this response!

So, to answer the theme of questions & some more context;

He and I have a VERY strained parenting relationship which is way too complex to update here, but generally goes along a pattern of him wanting the kids more for a bit, then meeting someone new and refusing to have them as much and round and round we go. This current cycle was wanted the kids 50:50 Feb/mar time, I agreed to almost that much, then new gf on the scene suddenly he was withdrawing time with kids and now once he moves in with her (planned for sept) he is dropping his contact time to a day or two for 4 weekends then nothing for 4 weeks, then day or two for 4 weekends again.....

This is the 8th or 9th gf the kids have met in the last 2.5yrs, the 4th he has been going to move in with.

Kids are 9 & 6yrs.

After 3 months she took my 6yr old to her house without my ex for the morning while he was busy with the 9yr old. Neither child had been to her house before.

If (and based on history it's a big if) this relationship works then absolutely I want the kids to have a positive relationship with her, and no I don't want to stop them having fun times.

He broke his ankle today, they had plans already for tomorrow but obvs he can't go. And yes it is his time to have the kids.

I think perhaps I have different standards and level of respect for him (and the kids) than he does for me. Maybe that's why this grates so much. I wouldn't have dreamed of allowing this with my partner after such a short time, and even if I had I would have let him know. Not asked permission, but certainly been open to hearing his opinion. And btw he was kept right up front with my situation with my new partner, even before the kids met him, before they stayed at his (with me) and offered the opportunity to meet him.

I'm really on your side btw he is a waste man scrub from the tlc song just like my ex

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/07/2024 22:16

jeaux90 · 25/07/2024 15:58

Nothing you can do but your ex is a loser who has outsourced the DC to his latest "support human"

He is probably over the moon (nob)

I agree

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/07/2024 22:15

Yabu unless you have any reason to think she's not safe?
They'll have fun and you don't have to pay for it. Think of her as a free babysitter.

If you needed childcare and organized it you wouldn't expect your ex to be able to veto it would you?

Edingril · 25/07/2024 21:41

No you can't dictate this same as he can't dictate what you do

DrCoconut · 25/07/2024 21:38

I love how on here women are told they are wrong for introducing someone new over a coffee if it's been under a year but OP is expected to be fine with a virtual stranger taking her kids out unsupervised. It would be a firm no from me.

NewNameNigel · 25/07/2024 21:24

Sunsparkles · 25/07/2024 20:10

If that is what happened then good! I don't want or need her to do childcare, they are their Dads and my kids, not hers 🤷 He needs her to do childcare, not me!

This is all well and good until there's an emergency and you've alienated the person who would have been available and known to the children.

I never did childcare for my SCs until one day, dps ex's brother was in car crash they thought to be fatal. Her parents rushed to their sons bedside and my husband was working away. I canceled my plans went to her home and babysat so she could go to her brother. Had she behaved like you in early days we would not have been at the point where I could do this.

Starting off your relationship with her by being hostile isn't doing anyone any favours. Another adult who cares for them is a positive thing.

KatiesMumWoof · 25/07/2024 20:51

LewishamMumNow · 25/07/2024 16:27

Disagree about so many of these responses. If it was his parents that would be totally different, but they can't know this woman well and it's not appropriate. Why isn't he going? Tell him either he goes to or you're keeping the kids. End of.

@LewishamMumNow

thats not how the law works & next time he just won't tell the OP.

parents are entitled to decide who looks after the kids on their time.

you don't have to like it, but that's how it is when you're no longer together.

Sweetmelanin · 25/07/2024 20:47

jeaux90 · 25/07/2024 15:58

Nothing you can do but your ex is a loser who has outsourced the DC to his latest "support human"

He is probably over the moon (nob)

How do you read all of that from what the OP had said?

HanaLou · 25/07/2024 20:44

Sunsparkles · 25/07/2024 20:14

No, we have no formal agreement in place. And I have taken legal advice on getting something in place to formalise our informal arrangements. The advice I was given is that the NRP needs to apply for a CAO, and even if we have one he can still pick and choose if he decides to have the kids or not. So if we have one and he decides he isn't going to have them one weekend then I can't do a thing. On the flip side, I will be legally obliged to give him the kids when they are due with him, and during his time he can let whomever he likes look after them. It's honestly a bullshit situation , but there are other threads on that and this thread isn't for that convo.

Thanks for your supportive suggestion though, and if I've mis-understood and you know more please say, because I would love to have something more formal in place to hold him accountable to his responsibilities as a parent!!

Thanks, just lots of experience of managing a difficult ex. Mine had visions of living next door to me with his OW and the kids ‘sometimes being with me and sometimes being with him’ - which in practice would mean that I had no life at all as I would have been their nanny/babysitter as and when it suited them. I wasn't living my life like that.

We did have an agreed pattern, DC’s require stability. The maintenance calculations were also based on the agreed pattern.

Sometimes Ex wouldn't turn up at school to pick them up…i had provided the school with our calendar. They would contact him. His responsibility.
It is like training a child, with consequences!

We followed this ( though ex did storm out of mediation when he didn't get his own way). www.gov.uk/looking-after-children-divorce/types-of-court-order

Snugglemonkey · 25/07/2024 20:43

Dumbo18 · 25/07/2024 15:48

I'm not saying i think they will be unsafe just saying if i DID feel that i would be against it. Suppose my argument would be one adult two kids, may get tricky if the kids want to go on different rides, one isn't tall enough etc At the least i'd want to meet her. Suppose it also comes down to how responsible the Dad is and if you trust him to make the right decisions for the kids

You could be as against it as you like, but you do not have the right to meet her, or veto it etc. Even if you do not trust the dad.