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Perhaps women aren't cut out to be on the front line?

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andsisters · 25/07/2024 14:21

Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Would those four violent men have dared attack male officers in the same way?

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Goldenbear · 25/07/2024 23:13

Realduchymarmalade · 25/07/2024 14:34

Of course it should be a male job. Those women looked ridiculous and I felt embarrassed for them. But you won’t find many on here to agree with you OP.

What difference does it make? In the Trump case in particular how does physicality come into it, it’s sharpness of thought surely?

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 22:51

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Sounds like you're threatening sexual assault. Why are you talking about people's reproductive organs? Makes you sound deranged.

WishIhadnotcome · 25/07/2024 22:39

andsisters · 25/07/2024 14:25

Obviously but that's more of an equal playing field.

If someone was attacking me, I would want a man defending me. Personally.

It depends which man and which woman. I’ve met some pretty hard women and some very timid men and vice versa.

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 22:35

The average unfit male. Without a moment's hesitation.

XChrome · 25/07/2024 22:31

How about hearing from women who have worked in policing and security?
I worked in security for many years. I've been a bodyguard, a bouncer, done security at rowdy festivals, you name it. I've faced all kinds of situations, though not with guns involved. That isn't common in Canada.

In those days I was bodybuilding and stronger than many of the fit men at my gym, and most men who were not fit. A man at the gym actually told me the men had discussed it together and decided I was making them look bad.🙄 I'm also well trained in martial arts. I have lifted refrigerators, and I mean the large North American ones. Can the average man lift a large refrigerator? No way.

So who would you want to have your back- me as I was in those days, or the average unfit male?
Now I'm not saying I was any better than a man with the same training. Of course not. However, how many criminals is one going to encounter with that kind of training? The odds are extremely low, so it's not a factor worth considering.

Are there any other women here with this kind of experience?

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 22:21

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cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 22:18

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 22:16

Hush now, my delicate flower, or I will send you to the doctor as you are suffering from hysteria.😊

You can do better than that, surely.

Saschka · 25/07/2024 22:17

This is a very weird thread 🤯

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 22:16

Flozle · 25/07/2024 21:10

Oh, there's a big strong man here to explain things to us!

Hush now, my delicate flower, or I will send you to the doctor as you are suffering from hysteria.😊

XChrome · 25/07/2024 22:16

Seems that some big tough men need MN moderators to save them from the horror of women's opinions about the bullshit they post. Interesting.

Runsyd · 25/07/2024 22:15

ATenShun · 25/07/2024 18:46

And if you were trapped in same burning building and that big burly fireman couldn't get through the debris but a smaller female firefighter could. Would you change your mind then? Any team should be using each others strengths to get the end result.

Oh come on, that's a reach. But well done for finding a loophole and not taking my point that in some situations, you're definitely better off with the superior strength and speed of a male.

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 22:12

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I`l leave it there then. Not worth it 🤔

XChrome · 25/07/2024 22:10

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orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 22:08

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Don't worry moon chicken none one really cares what you think 😂

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 22:07

You do know why only 10 applied don't you? If you don't then that you find out abit more rather than reading an article written they had already been warned off applying and some of them were told by their fellow squaddies that "we won't want to fight the enemy we will be having to much of a good time on you" and "if you are on the front line then I'll shoot you from behind and rape your corpse". The author of this piece is an ex para from the 80s so is just opinionated and has no first hand knowledge.

DownNative · 25/07/2024 22:06

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

Your comparison is simply a logical fallacy and one that really shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.

Those who responded to you on that weren't engaging in Whataboutery! 🤦‍♂️

They were explaining why your comparison was a false comparison and a false equivalence fallacy too.

Very different thing to Whataboutery.

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 22:01

Of course they're not. Been saying this for years. All women should learn to fight and do their best to do so if necessary, but men are the violent predatory sex and we need men to protect us from them

They're built for combat, from thicker bones, skulls, faster predatory reflexes, far greater strength and size. It's not up for debate.

I saw a female police officer bouncing through a shopping mall recently and thought FFS what good are you if a man attacks me? At a DV call out we need men to protect us from violent men.

Not sure why we have to pretend we're physically capable of doing jobs we're not physically capable of or why some women pretend otherwise.

One punch in the head from a thug generally teaches them the lesson, but too late.

Definitely need women in the police force, security forces, fire departments etc. And definitely not on front lines.

Reality doesn't care about our feelings.

XChrome · 25/07/2024 21:53

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Toastandmarmaladeisdelish · 25/07/2024 21:52

CleanShirt · 25/07/2024 14:28

Interesting first post.

Why do people say this? Posters name change all the time

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 21:51

VolvoFan · 25/07/2024 19:01

It was a kneejerk reaction to his colleague being attacked. He'll be sacked and his name and family probably smeared for the rest of his life.

The video clearly shows it wasn't a kneejerk reaction. The man on the ground turned his head to either spit at the officer or say something. The officer didn't like that and so not only kicked upwards but then slammed his foot downwards. That is 2 very distinct motions. Kneejerk is an instant reaction not one where you have to rebalanced. It was done in pure anger. There are many examples of both male and female police officers being attacked with things like samurai swords or just big knives. They show protection of the policing team by each other and coordination and professionalism in disarming the subject. That is nothing like what that sole police officer did and at the very least he was having a bad day.

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 21:50

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

You can giggle away to yourself while women carry on doing the work they're employed to do.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 25/07/2024 21:48

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

Are you are tate supporter by any chance?

Nobodywouldknow · 25/07/2024 21:44

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

It doesn’t really matter what you and your fragile male ego think though because women ARE doing your job and you’re probably just butthurt that most of them do it better than you could ever hope. Sorry that the being born with a penis thing as a route to success didn’t work out for you.

Edenmum2 · 25/07/2024 21:41

And if the guy had broken a male police officer's nose what would your response be?

I'm thinking you haven't done an awful lot of research into the statistics.

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Flozle · 25/07/2024 21:10

Oh, there's a big strong man here to explain things to us!

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

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