C Section is 'not a real birth'

I had a c-section and always tell people my son was “hatched”!! lol

I tell my DD (now 22) that she was delivered through the sun roof! 😃

I had a c-section and always tell people my son was “hatched”!! lol

It’s totally a birth of a baby, and I’ll be putting an elective c section down on my birth plan if I ever have a 2nd DC.

However I guess I don’t say I gave or have given birth… I’ll either say hatched or c section.

I think the problem here is your mindset, you don’t need to have a baby vaginally to be some sort of top ranked woman. You don’t even have to have children, it’s totally fine to be in the womanhood gang without having a baby.

The judgement you get from having a baby, especially by other mums is so odd. It doesn’t matter if you had unmediated, medicated, c section, home birth etc. no woman is superior than another. We can all be incredible and strong, selfless woman who sacrificed our bodies for 9 months and then our whole lives being mums to this child we grew.

You only feel you are missing out due to some off mindset in your head that you’ve probably got from society pressure or pressure put on yourself.

She’d probably say she’s had a c section. Where as someone who hadn’t would just say yes. But again I need to stop disagreeing 😂

Call it giving birth but your scenario definitely means they should be clear about how they birthed their child.

@dragonfliesandbees @Sometimeswinning so if a doctor asks a woman who has had 3 children by c-section if she has ever given birth that woman should say no? According to your definition sometimeswinjing that woman should say ‘no I have birth’ 🙄🙄 well that makes total sense.

NTFT but I had an emergency c section and decided to go for VBAC next time because of some stupid comment a frenemy made that made me feel the same about missing out if I didn’t push the baby out.

Worst decision ever. Thankfully baby was fine but I’m not built for vaginal birth and ended up with emergency forceps and crash team on standby. I’m destroyed below, and had major incontinence issues for years. Baby was badly bruised and it was a long recovery for us both. I thought maybe they would be healthier because of vag microbiome but they seem a little more sickly than older sibling (although this is of course anecdotal).

There is no advantage in endangering your child or yourself for some ridiculous idea of what a ‘proper mum’ does. Women die in childbirth because they don’t have correct medical interventions - and one of those interventions is CS.

Good luck.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/give-birth

When a woman gives birth, she produces a baby from her body.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/give-birth

When a woman or female animal gives birth, she produces a baby or younganimal from her body

Clearly quite a few bodies disagree that the specific definition of giving birth is only when a baby exist the birth canal and also only when no interventions are involved.

Sounds like free birth nonsense.

Opinion maybe, but certainly not factual.

Or your claim either. I did look. Nothing.

Honestly, I’m not sure why I’m arguing. If you had a c section and call it giving birth I don’t really care. It’s not correct but if it helps someone then I’m good.

I think you’ve researched the term “berth” completely different. To give something a wide berth is to avoid or old time to make room for a ship coming through.

I don’t think a definition ever includes the word it’s defining. Maybe you could do with a new dictionary 😂 I’m joking. Call it what you want. Don’t stress over my opinion.

"It’s langauge which takes a quick Google. The act of giving birth is to push the child through the birth canal. Birth is bringing a child forward into the world."

"No. I just did a quick google and that’s how it was worded."

"I used your search where you insisted you received no results. The results I got were pages full of information regarding labour and the stages of labour. About women bringing forth a child to be born"

Ah ok, so when you said ^^ you saw that "act of giving birth" etc. definition on your quick Google search, you didn't mean that, you just wrote a sentence?

Anyway, you can't link to anything reliable to back up your claim, that's cool. I couldn't find anything reliable either to back your claim up, so you're in good company!

Oops. I completely imagined the OP's OH scenario.

@Sometimeswinning the literal definition of giving birth is making way for something, to give birth…. Funnily enough having your insides opened and stretched enough to pull a baby from inside would fit this definition. Dictionary may help you perhaps?

Thanks.

I was thinking more that it was bizarre for OP's OH to be making the distinction, but I can see there's been a lot of mission drift on the thread.

Sorry I hadn’t meant to reference anything. I was just writing sentences.

Try and search giving birth maybe 🤷‍♀️ I don’t know, I just would have come up with my own search. Maybe you could research your own argument maybe. I’m always happy to learn new stuff.

@PennyPugwash same experience for me.

@concretevase my best friend insisted on vaginal delivery because she believed that was the only true way to say you’ve ‘given birth’. Let’s just say she’s had truly horrendous issues from it physically and mentally, even 3 years later. Giving birth is birthing a baby from your body. Please don’t put pressure on yourself to do something frankly ridiculous when a planned c section has good chances of being really good in comparison. I will also say that three years on nobody is comparing birth stories and she’s still suffering the consequences. I genuinely feel awful for her.

When I put that search term in you referenced, not me, I get no results found.

Hence asking for the link you got it from. Can you share?

I still think it's a bizarre distinction for anyone other than a HCP to make.

A midwife above did and posters didn’t like it even then. Plus you worded it very well whether you agree or not.

I used your search where you insisted you received no results. The results I got were pages full of information regarding labour and the stages of labour. About women bringing forth a child to be born.

To be fair if you want to stick to acting all confused about it that’s fine. But you’re being disingenuous to say you’re completely clueless and unable to find your own links.

Being birthed and giving birth are not the same thing. I don’t understand how people are finding it confusing.

A woman does not need to give birth as we have c sections and other interventions to ensure a baby is birthed as safely as possible.

I guess it makes sense in my head!

So what you're saying is that from the baby's perspective, either way, they are born.

But from the mother's perspective, it's a case of passive versus active participation. "Giving" birth (active) versus maybe "undergoing" a birth?

I still think it's a bizarre distinction for anyone other than a HCP to make.

Please post that link confirming a section is not giving birth, that giving birth is a very specific term used for a vaginal birth (unaided by ventouse etc), might help with the confusion to see it from a reliable source?

Being birthed and giving birth are not the same thing. I don’t understand how people are finding it confusing.

A woman does not need to give birth as we have c sections and other interventions to ensure a baby is birthed as safely as possible.

I guess it makes sense in my head!

Bloody hell. I do not think for one minute that you, a midwife, truly believes this. You are an educated adult, how can you think this?

OP, I was lucky with my C sections.Both were planned due to transverse position of both babies. Very different experience from emergency C-section. Very relaxing and I healed way quicker than any of my friends who had natural births. Now I am sixty I realise there's the added benefit of much stronger pelvic floor.

I would have preferred an easy natural birth in an ideal world but there's no guarantee of that and the friend who had the worst most traumatic birth and wounds that grew seriously infected gave birth naturally.

Planned C-sections and emergency C-sections are nothing like each other.

No.

You want someone to post a link that shows how a vaginal birth differs from a c section?!

As you have worked out, many of us find your opinions bizarre, especially if you are a midwife.

What do you call your children's birthdays if you didn't actually give birth to them? Their Extraction Days? Happy Extraction Day instead of Happy Birthday for them?