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Kegas · 25/07/2024 13:37

Their parents are high achievers? I know I shouldn’t feel disappointed but I do. Me and DH are very high achievers. From school and now well into our careers. I sort of assumed our child would be even better than that, but they’re very much not. AIBU to have expected differently?

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Natsku · 25/07/2024 15:19

6 is too young to tell how academic they are. My DD had to some tests with the ed psych when she was around that age, the tests put her at average in some areas, below average in others. She's 13 now and won an award for highest grade average in her class. They change so much as they grow, children that are far above average at that age might end up being average once they're teens, and other children can struggle more in school in the first few years then things start to click and they come into their own. And of course there's all kinds of ways to excel, not just academically.

PatsArrow · 25/07/2024 15:18

Sorry pressed send too soon.

To cut a long story short- excelling early in no measure of how well a child work do later on. It works both ways. I've seen 'slow' starters absolutely flourish and real high flyers crash hard during teen years.

Your child is fine. At 6 they have all the time in the world.

MrHarleyQuin · 25/07/2024 15:18

poppymango · 25/07/2024 15:05

Agree with this.

I actually think the most important things you can learn at school aren’t the subjects themselves. The most important things are learning how to work hard, and learning to be nice to people.

If you can nail that, you’re winning.

Its about working smart, not hard. Being productive when you need to be. I don't exactly flog my guts out and earn a very good salary. It's certainly not "a grind".

PatsArrow · 25/07/2024 15:16

6 is much too young to decide if they're high achieving or not.

Take it from me, who has a 19 yr old DD and a 17 yr old DS.
At school my DD was a high flyer. She excelled at everything. Reading, writing, Maths and Science. Parents evening at Primary school was an absolute delight. She was also extremely confident and had very different likes and interests from her peers. I was beyond proud of her.
Secondary school was a different matter. She excelled in nothing and started to struggle in Maths and Science. Her confidence diminished with her peers from puberty. She was talented at drama but it gave her anxiety so she didn't pursue it.

She's now a trainee paramedic and has just passed her first year, not with 'flying colours' but a good pass. She has found the academic/science part extremely hard but as worked hard at it. She's already been in scary situations that I wouldn't know what to do in. I'm honestly beyond proud of her. How she is as a person and how she tackles things.

My DS was pretty average at Primary school. Again, extremely confident and creative. At the beginning of secondary his confidence grew and he did drama and comedy. He was extremely popular. Then puberty hit. He became socially awkward, appalling at sports and reduced his friendship group. He struggled with Maths and Science but absolutely flew in English and History. In GCSE's he scrapped a pass in Maths and Science

Snowdrop80 · 25/07/2024 15:15

6 years old?! Yes YABU.

Diyextension · 25/07/2024 15:14

Lets hope he doesn’t grow up to want to become a bricklayer 🤣 op would disown him.

Anonym00se · 25/07/2024 15:14

2boyzNosleep · 25/07/2024 15:05

Also wanted to add, just because you are high achievers doesn't mean that you are highly intelligent.

Some people become high achievers from lots of revising, extra tuition, working over their paid hours. Whereas others just 'get it' and don't need the extra time to study, revise or work. Yet, on paper, both would have the same results.

I was just about to make this point. I have met many senior board members over the years who are not particularly bright, and that’s being polite.

zoemum2006 · 25/07/2024 15:11

I put YANBU because intelligence is biological and environmental but then I read your kid is 6 so you’re being really silly 😂

Boopbeepbeepboop · 25/07/2024 15:10

Good god. I hope you don't express these feelings to your child.

mitogoshi · 25/07/2024 15:10

Kids learn at different paces, my "below average child with considerably above average intelligence parents at age 6" is now an adult, has an excellent degree and doing a very unusual job, think one that it cited as an indicator of being really hard and complicated, not rocket science but similar!

At age 12 she began to pick up, not younger

TheWonderhorse · 25/07/2024 15:10

Right, I'm going to take my horror and sideline it for a sec.

My son is a very academic kid, high achieving and motivated. Parenting him to excel is a piece of piss.

My DD is different. She does okay at school but her heart is somewhere else. I'm a better parent for having had her, and she's taught me that the important thing is finding their passion and chucking everything you have behind that. Nurture the person they are!

Q13 · 25/07/2024 15:09

I feel beyond sorry for your child. How absolutely awful to judge a 6 year old against your expectations of what they should achieve. You need help.

SnappyCroc · 25/07/2024 15:08

We need to give children the space and resources to find their niche. The world is full of averagely high achievers who were never going to set the world on fire but were bright enough (and their parents had sufficient resources) to be "hothoused" and ended up with boring degrees from relatively good universities and a job in something like conveyancing or the civil service which provides quite a nice life, but they're bored out of their brains because it isn't their passion and they've never been given space to explore what makes them passionate. At some point we need to ask what the end result is that we are pushing our children for.

TemuSpecialBuy · 25/07/2024 15:08

It is unusual tbh.

ours aren’t at school, lots of my family aren’t academic but are very able / skilled in non academic areas

id be surprised if my children werent

what support do you give your child? What level of involved you have in their learning?

mathanxiety · 25/07/2024 15:07

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 25/07/2024 15:00

A lot of kids change between 7-11. But you aren’t unreasonable to feel what you feel.

time to reassess. You clearly had just assumed academic work would come easy to your child, it won’t. So you might need to push more. Hear your child read daily, play maths and word games. (You might even need to join the mums who listen to times tables in song form in the car).

budget for tutoring in secondary, consider it from year 4 onwards anyway for maths and English. Do they play an instrument? Learning to read music helps with maths ability.

your child is not you, good grades won’t just come easily, that’s not the same as saying good grades are impossible.

Or maybe just try to deal with your ego issues, OP.

2boyzNosleep · 25/07/2024 15:05

Also wanted to add, just because you are high achievers doesn't mean that you are highly intelligent.

Some people become high achievers from lots of revising, extra tuition, working over their paid hours. Whereas others just 'get it' and don't need the extra time to study, revise or work. Yet, on paper, both would have the same results.

poppymango · 25/07/2024 15:05

MangshorJhol · 25/07/2024 14:42

The loop here is that most high achieving parents earn well and have the resources to expose their kids to books, to learning outside the classroom etc. So their kids do well because they have educated parents at home who support them and encourage their interests. And who are not working multiple jobs just to get food on the table.

So leaving aside neurodiversity the thing to ask is HOW you foster your child’s learning? Do you read to them every single day? Do they have regular and constant access to books? Do you sit and do academic work with them in a non pressured way?

DH and I are both academically ‘high achieving’ by most criteria (both have Oxbridge and Ivy League degrees including PhDs) but our parents really inculcated a work ethic in us. So maybe I would have breezed through without working but I was encouraged to work as hard as I could (and I still swam, played sport, did a lot of drama). That work ethic has stood me in good stead as an adult. My sense is that the people who succeed as adults are not those who breezed through primary school but who can do grunt work quickly and efficiently, can make links between ideas and concepts and generally work hard even if each day might be a grind. I know some brilliant people who didn’t achieve greatness because when they had to put in the hours they fizzled out.

Agree with this.

I actually think the most important things you can learn at school aren’t the subjects themselves. The most important things are learning how to work hard, and learning to be nice to people.

If you can nail that, you’re winning.

TheAlchemy · 25/07/2024 15:03

Just to add that any natural ability your child may or may not have can only flourish with support and guidance from parents. Ask yourself if you are really doing everything you can to enhance and encourage your child’s education. Or are you leaving him to it because you believe he should naturally be able and you are too busy with your apparent high flying careers.

Hateam · 25/07/2024 15:02

I've been a primary school teacher for 26 years.

I have often had to inform high-achieving/middle class parents that their child is average. It's very common for them to immediately ask if their child can be tested for dyslexia; as though that can be the only explanation.

ALittleDropOfRain · 25/07/2024 15:01

I think being a parent means you start to analyse and maybe lay aside what you thought was normal and standard. And that’s hard.

DC (7) processes numbers and words differently to me. As it happens he’s also very bright, but it’s a different type of bright to me (and DH) at the same age. I don’t have that inner window to how he learns that I was expecting.

I was shy at that age. He’s not.

I react quickly and tend to bear a grudge. He doesn’t. I have never been sporty. He is. I’m musical. He’s not. It’s been a learning curve. And I’ve learnt from him, while tailoring our activities to how he thinks and his interests rather than mine.

There are times when I discover I’m mourning what I expect to have been doing with him based on what I enjoyed as a child. I’ve also discovered new interests and new ways of looking at things.

If you look around you you’ll see several cases where the children are very different to their parents. I can think of two talented football players in my circle whose son trips over his own feet. An outgoing, musical friend whose daughter is neither.

But we do all learn from each other and get to see first-hand other ways of being.

FlyingPandas · 25/07/2024 15:01

At 6 I really wouldn't panic, OP. Children develop at different rates and at their own pace. Some children achieve at typical levels and then accelerate later. Others seem advanced at 5/6 and then level out. Some will remain average. At this age, their birth month can make a big difference to achievement levels; the impact of autumn v summer born will even out over time.

FWIW, DH and I would probably both be considered academic high achievers -DH has an Oxbridge degree, I have one from a top RG uni (not that it was the Russell Group back in our day!), we have done well in our respective careers. And our eldest July-born DC really really really struggled in Reception/Y1/Y2. We'd have been delighted with average! He was bottom table for everything, needed lots of interventions, eventually managed to reach academic averages towards the end of Y5/6, only really hit his stride academically in Y8. But he ended up with excellent GCSE and A level grades and is currently doing well on his chosen university course. If you had told me all this when he was 6 I would literally never have believed you.

It's a marathon not a sprint, as the saying goes. Keep supporting him and enjoying time with him, be proud of him, tell him you're proud of him. Instil a good work ethic, encourage him to enjoy school, talk to and read to him lots. He'll get there.

Phewthatwasclose · 25/07/2024 15:01

Goslingsforlife · 25/07/2024 13:49

what a stupid post to bring ASD/ADHD into the picture on the basis of an 'average' achiever. So much ignorance.

Not at all! I live in a University town where it's really common to have two extremely high achieving parents (lots of Head of Uni department/hospital Consultant combos) and for the children to be behind, because they are ND. The parents are often ND too (in a more 'high functioning' way) which is what helped them achieve their career success in the first place!

Cactusprick · 25/07/2024 15:00

Demonhunter · 25/07/2024 14:47

JFC not everything is ASD/ADHD. People wonder why so many get pissed off with the way these get banded about with no basis for it!

Chill out huni x

Cotonsugar · 25/07/2024 15:00

It can work the other way too. My parents were very average at school and so was I. My two younger siblings were high achievers and nobody else either side of the family were academic.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 25/07/2024 15:00

A lot of kids change between 7-11. But you aren’t unreasonable to feel what you feel.

time to reassess. You clearly had just assumed academic work would come easy to your child, it won’t. So you might need to push more. Hear your child read daily, play maths and word games. (You might even need to join the mums who listen to times tables in song form in the car).

budget for tutoring in secondary, consider it from year 4 onwards anyway for maths and English. Do they play an instrument? Learning to read music helps with maths ability.

your child is not you, good grades won’t just come easily, that’s not the same as saying good grades are impossible.