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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:15

ive not changed the name, as i'm expecting as much of a beating on this post as i got on my last one.

on the last post i missed an important fact on purpose because it bore no relevance to the topic.

my DH and i have 6 children between us, he has 4 and i have 2, so for those doing the math, the DS referred too in my last post is actually DSS. i mention it now as it will answer questions i know i will get. Just to clarify, we don't use the term step children. my children are his children, his children are mine, they are all treated equally. when 1 gets married they receive a cash gift, this gift is the same amount irrespective, when babies came, the same, sex reveal parties, the same, baby showers.. i'm sure you get the idea! All the children know that should they decide on any of the above, that cash gift is there for them. when birthdays come round, they all get a small cash gift, both them and their partners. this gift is not a lot, a token, enough for a meal out as they are adults and its more the gesture than anything else.

I go to church, church has a big impact on my life and has done for many years. my DD's were baptised by their grandfather, and their dads side of the family all hold religious office of one kind or another. my DD's both went to church until they chose not too. it was and is never forced on them and i respect their choices. DH and his children never set foot in a churh in their lives, and were all adults when i came into their lives. They know i have faith and respect that but its not for them which is totally fine.

My DD wants to have baby baptised, even though they themselves no longer attend church, they know how important this is to me and their dads side of the family so therefore its all booked. On this occasion, as the church is only important to me and not to my DH who absolutely does not do the whole church thing I am giving the cash gift on this occasion. The same rule applies, should any of the DC decide to have their babies baptised, then they will receive this gift. I need to make this clear, as i know some will come for me about this, there is zero pressure for the GC to be baptised, its a choice the parents need to make for their children themselves.

Of course you knew there would be a but. DS and DIL are unhappy, they have no plans to baptise their son, but why should they not receive a cash gift just becuase they are not having their baby baptised, and that we should therefore give them a cash gift for their babies 1st birthday party instead! We have pointed out that 3 of our other children have chosen not to marry (yet if at all) and they can't claim their wedding gift based on this, so no, on this occasion!

We do not believe that 1st birthday parties are something we should be paying for, for any of our GC, thats the parents responsibility. We will of course be giving a gift to the baby, what grandparent wouldn't. But if we give cash on this occasion, then in fairness we have to give to all.

AIBU?

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ABirdsEyeView · 25/07/2024 10:50

I think your kids are treating you like a cash point! The moment my adult dc started demanding my money and behaving as if they had an entitlement to it, would be the moment I stopped giving it to them!

In your attempt to be supportive of their life events, you've unfortunately created a situation where your dc are all desperate to make sure that none of their siblings are getting an extra leg up - it's not nice and it needs nipping in the bud.

I would remind my dc that they have received support for weddings or other events that a sibling has not, that treating children fairly does not mean always treating them exactly the same and that your money is not theirs to divvy up as they see fit!

And tell your husband to stop over sharing. Your finances are your own business - your kids do not need to know everything!

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 10:49

Newposter180 · 25/07/2024 10:44

Obviously they are being unreasonable to demand money at all, but I do think it’s a bit mean to effectively punish those that choose not to baptise as their children won’t receive the same “help”.
I hope there are other milestones available for cash gifts that are not related to marriage and babies, for example achieving degrees or a promotion.

Of course ... but we are a few years away from that!

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 10:49

Just say it as it is then, you take GC to church and now you want to parade them around all your church friends in the way of a baptism. Your DD wouldn’t organise the vicar or church and nor would she throw or pay for a party, it’s your party so you are paying in order to make it happen.

But the justification your your other child is strange, you’ve essentially told them it’s essential to have cake after a christening therefore you’re paying for it, but cake for 1st birthday is optional. It’s a weird set of rules so I don’t think you can be annoyed that they didn’t immediately know this.

Newposter180 · 25/07/2024 10:44

Obviously they are being unreasonable to demand money at all, but I do think it’s a bit mean to effectively punish those that choose not to baptise as their children won’t receive the same “help”.
I hope there are other milestones available for cash gifts that are not related to marriage and babies, for example achieving degrees or a promotion.

otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 10:44

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:28

well i thank you for your blessing... my GC will recieve a gift! it will be his first bible, and i do not doubt he will receive many many of them from others too... i still have all of mine from many many years ago.

GC may chose the church, and he may not.. and that is his choice!

I won't be buying alcohol and i never understood the need for a specific cake at a baptism.

That's a perfect, suitable gift (connected with the occasion). I still have mine too (and made sure to keep my gran's when we went through her things when she died). Good that you are open to them choosing not to have a faith when they are older - best you can do while they are young is give them a good example about how to live a good moral life and see where they go.
I don't get the cake thing either - we had a nice cake for my daughter as my friend was doing a cake decorating course and wanted to practice. As for the booze - we had some Prosecco but just because we like it.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:44

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 10:42

The party after is optional though, it’s got nothing to do with faith. A baby can be baptised without an additional party after of £250 on tea and cake.

The OP does not understand that at all....

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:43

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:38

this is a faith arguement you and i do not want to get into. how can a child decide if he wants to follow a faith if he is not taken to church to find out?

but anyway... have a lovely day

You and I don't want to get into- WOW can you not see what you have written, not very Christian of you.

I answered a point that you made and if you do not see the irony of it, then God help us!........

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 10:42

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:10

I thank you for you comments... you keep using the term Party... a baptism is a celebration in faith, not a Party...

I'm guessing you don't do the whole faith thing, and that is entirely your choice.

The party after is optional though, it’s got nothing to do with faith. A baby can be baptised without an additional party after of £250 on tea and cake.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:38

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:36

So if it is his choice, why have him christened, you all should wait until he can decide.

this is a faith arguement you and i do not want to get into. how can a child decide if he wants to follow a faith if he is not taken to church to find out?

but anyway... have a lovely day

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:37

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:32

I am not arguing with anyone, I am responding to your posts that you have asked for people opinions.

You are arguing about its not a party, having a gathering after a christening is called a christening party, and you are providing refreshments for, as I have said could you not just give money/help to your DS for their chosen occasion.

I personally would not bring my child into a church that I did not attend because I have decided that I do not want to practice the faith. It would seem that your DD is doing it out of duty and not faith. Once this christening is over I don't think your Grandchild will attend a church again.

Edited

the child already goes to church with mums blessing, just not with mum! please never assume something you have no understanding of.

ive used the term baptism several times now... if you are just giving your opions please also be respectful.

just because my DD does not practice.. does not mean she does not want her child too!

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TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:36

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:28

well i thank you for your blessing... my GC will recieve a gift! it will be his first bible, and i do not doubt he will receive many many of them from others too... i still have all of mine from many many years ago.

GC may chose the church, and he may not.. and that is his choice!

I won't be buying alcohol and i never understood the need for a specific cake at a baptism.

So if it is his choice, why have him christened, you all should wait until he can decide.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:32

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:22

her (dead father) and his family are all from the church. just because SHE does not attend church does not mean she does not care about her childs religious upbringing. she herself was baptised by her own grandfather in his own church as was her sister. the godparents are not just their 'besties', they also have strong religious views and habits. she wants her child bringing into the church, is there something so wrong with that?

but you argue away all you like..

I am not arguing with anyone, I am responding to your posts that you have asked for people opinions.

You are arguing about its not a party, having a gathering after a christening is called a christening party, and you are providing refreshments for, as I have said could you not just give money/help to your DS for their chosen occasion.

I personally would not bring my child into a church that I did not attend because I have decided that I do not want to practice the faith. It would seem that your DD is doing it out of duty and not faith. Once this christening is over I don't think your Grandchild will attend a church again.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:28

otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 10:24

That's all you need. A nice ceremony with close family and friends, some light refreshments after and your prayers. It's not Christmas or birthday, no need for gifts (and even that gets out of hand).

well i thank you for your blessing... my GC will recieve a gift! it will be his first bible, and i do not doubt he will receive many many of them from others too... i still have all of mine from many many years ago.

GC may chose the church, and he may not.. and that is his choice!

I won't be buying alcohol and i never understood the need for a specific cake at a baptism.

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otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 10:24

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:18

yeah i dont think £250 max (although apparently i now need a cake and some fizz) is quite disney land!

there was no expectation from my DD, all she needed was help with how to book the Abbey/Vicar, which as you know is free. i offered to help with refreshments, because as you will know, the church family is large and there will be people there even my DD and her husband do not know.

That's all you need. A nice ceremony with close family and friends, some light refreshments after and your prayers. It's not Christmas or birthday, no need for gifts (and even that gets out of hand).

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:22

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:18

The christening is the celebration of faith, the party (tea and cake at £250.00) is not needed then, you have offered to pay for some of the catering which is not needed but you want to do it.

As I have said if you were buying a gift for your grandchild ie a bible, piece of jewellery then your DS and DIL would not have a leg to stand on but you are providing refreshment for the event after the christening.

Also as you have stated your DD has no faith and does not attend church why is she even having a christening, my bet is she wants a get together for the family to meet the baby. IE a party.

her (dead father) and his family are all from the church. just because SHE does not attend church does not mean she does not care about her childs religious upbringing. she herself was baptised by her own grandfather in his own church as was her sister. the godparents are not just their 'besties', they also have strong religious views and habits. she wants her child bringing into the church, is there something so wrong with that?

but you argue away all you like..

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:18

otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 10:00

I have had both my children baptised, and we are a churchgoing family. Made it quite clear that we don’t expect gifts and certainly not cash. Neither was there is big piss up party afterwards. I likewise don’t give cash for other children’s baptisms. Totally against the point of the occasion.
My DH was brought up catholic and he thinks likewise about first communions. Vulgar amount of money spent on a young child who barely understands what’s going on. He had classmates taken to Disneyland and given thousands as presents. I am CofE but we will have our feet firmly on the ground with our own family.

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yeah i dont think £250 max (although apparently i now need a cake and some fizz) is quite disney land!

there was no expectation from my DD, all she needed was help with how to book the Abbey/Vicar, which as you know is free. i offered to help with refreshments, because as you will know, the church family is large and there will be people there even my DD and her husband do not know.

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TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:18

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:10

I thank you for you comments... you keep using the term Party... a baptism is a celebration in faith, not a Party...

I'm guessing you don't do the whole faith thing, and that is entirely your choice.

The christening is the celebration of faith, the party (tea and cake at £250.00) is not needed then, you have offered to pay for some of the catering which is not needed but you want to do it.

As I have said if you were buying a gift for your grandchild ie a bible, piece of jewellery then your DS and DIL would not have a leg to stand on but you are providing refreshment for the event after the christening.

Also as you have stated your DD has no faith and does not attend church why is she even having a christening, my bet is she wants a get together for the family to meet the baby. IE a party.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:16

Thebellofstclements · 25/07/2024 10:01

You seem very focused on money, using the term "cash gift" so much. I don't know what my parents gave my nephew for his christening, if they gave anything at all. I also don't know what they gave siblings and cousins for their weddings, birthdays, Christmas. It sounds as though you make announcements of your largesse, which shouldn't be in keeping with your Christian faith....

as i said in my original post.. i knew poeple would come for me. I am aware that i used the term when i should have said contribtion towards refreshments, i apologise with all of my heart for this error or as it has been called 'drip feed'

there have been no annoucements of largesse... please don't come at me for my faith. i have given an explaination as to why our children know about our other contributions.. which you have chosen to ignore.

for this particular event, DS asked his DD if we were contributing, and he was told yes because we do not lie to our children.

but thank you for your comments

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:11

Thebellofstclements · 25/07/2024 10:04

A baby's first birthday party consists of £10 on cake ingredients and a bottle of cheap fizz.
You sound nauseatingly obsessed with spending money. Like my own mother.

Oh hell... i need a cake? and fizz??? looks like i need to change the budget 😂😂. thanks for you comments

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:10

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:04

Yes as then its fair, which you have said that you are all for.

I do not understand why the need to contribute to the christening party anyway, £250 is a lot for tea and cake, its about the christening not the party.

I thank you for you comments... you keep using the term Party... a baptism is a celebration in faith, not a Party...

I'm guessing you don't do the whole faith thing, and that is entirely your choice.

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 10:08

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 09:59

Where have I said they would be funding all family birthday parties, I have said that they should do the first birthday party as they have contributed to the christening party that is not needed.

The Op has stated that they are fair and equal, in gift giving and helping out, the OP has decided to contribute for food at the christening but is not going to for a first birthday.

Also the OP has dripped feed the thread, as I read it in the first few posts she was talking about a gift not the contribution to food.

Edited

Why is refreshments after a christening not needed? are you suggesting that people are invited too the baptism, to travel some a long way, some guests will be members of the church congregation... and after the baptism we say thanks for coming... see you later bye?

The OP has not drip fed anything, just worded wrongly... its hardly a drip feed is it?

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TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 10:04

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:56

so just to clarify... if i contribute too the refreshments of the baptism for DD, i should contribute only to the birthday parties of the those GC that are not baptised?

Edited

Yes as then its fair, which you have said that you are all for.

I do not understand why the need to contribute to the christening party anyway, £250 is a lot for tea and cake, its about the christening not the party.

Thebellofstclements · 25/07/2024 10:04

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:58

lol well it looks like i must now doesn't it.... i honestly didn't know paying for GC's first birthday celebrations was a thing for Grandparents! so it looks like i need a conversation with DH

A baby's first birthday party consists of £10 on cake ingredients and a bottle of cheap fizz.
You sound nauseatingly obsessed with spending money. Like my own mother.

Thebellofstclements · 25/07/2024 10:01

You seem very focused on money, using the term "cash gift" so much. I don't know what my parents gave my nephew for his christening, if they gave anything at all. I also don't know what they gave siblings and cousins for their weddings, birthdays, Christmas. It sounds as though you make announcements of your largesse, which shouldn't be in keeping with your Christian faith....

otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 10:00

I have had both my children baptised, and we are a churchgoing family. Made it quite clear that we don’t expect gifts and certainly not cash. Neither was there is big piss up party afterwards. I likewise don’t give cash for other children’s baptisms. Totally against the point of the occasion.
My DH was brought up catholic and he thinks likewise about first communions. Vulgar amount of money spent on a young child who barely understands what’s going on. He had classmates taken to Disneyland and given thousands as presents. I am CofE but we will have our feet firmly on the ground with our own family.