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another MIL one

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:15

ive not changed the name, as i'm expecting as much of a beating on this post as i got on my last one.

on the last post i missed an important fact on purpose because it bore no relevance to the topic.

my DH and i have 6 children between us, he has 4 and i have 2, so for those doing the math, the DS referred too in my last post is actually DSS. i mention it now as it will answer questions i know i will get. Just to clarify, we don't use the term step children. my children are his children, his children are mine, they are all treated equally. when 1 gets married they receive a cash gift, this gift is the same amount irrespective, when babies came, the same, sex reveal parties, the same, baby showers.. i'm sure you get the idea! All the children know that should they decide on any of the above, that cash gift is there for them. when birthdays come round, they all get a small cash gift, both them and their partners. this gift is not a lot, a token, enough for a meal out as they are adults and its more the gesture than anything else.

I go to church, church has a big impact on my life and has done for many years. my DD's were baptised by their grandfather, and their dads side of the family all hold religious office of one kind or another. my DD's both went to church until they chose not too. it was and is never forced on them and i respect their choices. DH and his children never set foot in a churh in their lives, and were all adults when i came into their lives. They know i have faith and respect that but its not for them which is totally fine.

My DD wants to have baby baptised, even though they themselves no longer attend church, they know how important this is to me and their dads side of the family so therefore its all booked. On this occasion, as the church is only important to me and not to my DH who absolutely does not do the whole church thing I am giving the cash gift on this occasion. The same rule applies, should any of the DC decide to have their babies baptised, then they will receive this gift. I need to make this clear, as i know some will come for me about this, there is zero pressure for the GC to be baptised, its a choice the parents need to make for their children themselves.

Of course you knew there would be a but. DS and DIL are unhappy, they have no plans to baptise their son, but why should they not receive a cash gift just becuase they are not having their baby baptised, and that we should therefore give them a cash gift for their babies 1st birthday party instead! We have pointed out that 3 of our other children have chosen not to marry (yet if at all) and they can't claim their wedding gift based on this, so no, on this occasion!

We do not believe that 1st birthday parties are something we should be paying for, for any of our GC, thats the parents responsibility. We will of course be giving a gift to the baby, what grandparent wouldn't. But if we give cash on this occasion, then in fairness we have to give to all.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Mudflaps · 25/07/2024 13:07

Your DS and DIL are the problem and will continue to be unless you learn to deal with them. They (unfortunately) know you have a nest egg put away which is being used to fund gifts/contributions for your children and grandchildren, they are determined to get as much of this for themselves and will use whatever means necessary to do so. Stand up to them now or you will be battling this forever. The money is yours, no-one should have any say is how it's spent other than you and your husband so please make this known. I've seen similar behaviour in my own family, my parents came into a lot of money through the sale of a business, my younger sibling and I are of the belief it has nothing to do with us but my older sibling has a very different view, he told me that he intends to get as much as possible from my parents despite having little affection for them, he chose to have little to do with our family after he married and despite years of effort we hardly know his children but once the money was in play his children visited my parents twice yearly, on their birthday and at Christmas, on the sole expectation of receiving a cash gift. Put a stop to the expectations held by your dc, the money is yours and you will decide how it's spent, maybe tell them you're planning an extended cruise til it's all gone, that might shut them up. And regarding new brand name clothes for dgc, make sure you spend the same amount on clothes for the others who aren't as fussy, my mother loved shopping in charity shops for children's clothes despite her wealth and my younger sibling and I were very grateful.

Lacdulancelot · 25/07/2024 13:04

I paid for dgc baptism celebration.

2nd dgc has not been baptised and dd wouldn’t dream of asking for a cash equivalent. And she wouldn’t get it if she did.

So many dc think they have a say on spending their parents money.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:44

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 09:29

as ive just said, its to help towards food/buffet, its not THE gift

Exactly though. So they are getting a gift for the christening plus you are paying towards the party. Not sure why you take such great offence to the other child asking about contributing towards the party for their baby also. It doesn’t seem that outrageous that they would ask given you’re contributing to one party and according to your post have made it quite clear to them there is a put of money available for various celebrations.

if you've read my other post, DIL asked for clothes for the baby, without realising we purchased a large bundle of 2nd hand clothes, and this was met with displeasure because DS and DIL only want brand new, branded clothes for their child (as is their right) and now, we only buy new for them, the other GC's parents are happy for 2nd hand, should be now only buy brand new branded clothes for all?

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:43

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 25/07/2024 12:35

You could take the approach that the party is mainly for your benefit (and the child's spiritual wellbeing) and as such you are contributing or even cohosting so that your family and church friends have a nice afternoon. If the other couple are likewise planning a party for your friends and family then you will host that party too.

this makes sense.. im not looking to make excuses or deceive anyone. i made the mistake of using the term 'gift' where i should have said 'help' or 'contribution'.

we of course intend to help or contribute too our childrens big events as they come up. I am sure there are some things that DS and DIL will want for their child that the others don't want for theirs.

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:37

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 09:29

as ive just said, its to help towards food/buffet, its not THE gift

Exactly though. So they are getting a gift for the christening plus you are paying towards the party. Not sure why you take such great offence to the other child asking about contributing towards the party for their baby also. It doesn’t seem that outrageous that they would ask given you’re contributing to one party and according to your post have made it quite clear to them there is a put of money available for various celebrations.

i can't remember if i have replied to you... so taking your theory into account, and we have well established now that i didn't mean to use the term 'gift'.

i just have to keep handing out money left right and centre? we have 6 children, there will be more GC i do not doubt. at what point do we say enough is enough? at what age do the GC have to be before we stop helping them out?

OP posts:
Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 25/07/2024 12:35

You could take the approach that the party is mainly for your benefit (and the child's spiritual wellbeing) and as such you are contributing or even cohosting so that your family and church friends have a nice afternoon. If the other couple are likewise planning a party for your friends and family then you will host that party too.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:31

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 11:47

You have used 2 different user names, your original post was in

itainthalfhot you are now using thursdaymurderclub, hence a name change fail.

So you have changed names. I was actually trying to be nice so all your posts are not connected.

Edited

thank you... when i replied i was on my iphone... didn't realise it would use that name, i as you can see am now back on my mac!

i do confess to being a little behind on technology! and i apologise for that. i do not believe having 2 or more names on MN is unusual? but if i am wrong i am happy to be corrected.

thank you

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:29

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 25/07/2024 12:03

OP - i think the problem is you’ve called it a gift. It’s not, what you are doing is catering a baptism party. This is a normal thing for grandparents to do, but it’s not a gift at all, it’s you covering the party costs.

if one of the other children as an adult decide to be baptised, you could throw them a party. If the other children are not baptised, they don’t need a baptism party.

you aren’t giving a gift, you are funding the after baptism party that is only needed if a child is baptised.

yes thank you i realise that now... i did mean helping towards refreshements, i just put it very badly and i apologise!

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FancyBiscuitsLevel · 25/07/2024 12:03

OP - i think the problem is you’ve called it a gift. It’s not, what you are doing is catering a baptism party. This is a normal thing for grandparents to do, but it’s not a gift at all, it’s you covering the party costs.

if one of the other children as an adult decide to be baptised, you could throw them a party. If the other children are not baptised, they don’t need a baptism party.

you aren’t giving a gift, you are funding the after baptism party that is only needed if a child is baptised.

OhmygodDont · 25/07/2024 11:57

Yanbu

You are giving out help for set things.

Weddings, christenings, baby showers, gender reveals.

One off events (unless they have more children but still one off for those babies) giving money to support or pay for birthday parties are not one offs they are yearly reoccurring things.

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:56

@TheSpoonyNavyReader I really am not I'm simply trying to say... thank you!

You are the one being argumentative and confrontational..

Again THANK YOU

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 11:52

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:49

@TheSpoonyNavyReader thank you I'm currently on my iPhone so clearly is logged in on that name...

I created the post on my PC... not really a fail just not very IT literate if it bothered me I would have panicked etc..

Feel free to report! I'll be back home soon if it makes you happier

Goodness you seem a difficult person! Why the comment of I will be home soon if that makes you happier. Does it make you feel better?

I flagged it because some do not want to be identified by different user names.

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:49

@TheSpoonyNavyReader thank you I'm currently on my iPhone so clearly is logged in on that name...

I created the post on my PC... not really a fail just not very IT literate if it bothered me I would have panicked etc..

Feel free to report! I'll be back home soon if it makes you happier

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 11:47

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:45

@TheSpoonyNavyReader not really just different devices... if MN want to delete they can do.

My original post says name not changed... nothing to hide

You have used 2 different user names, your original post was in

itainthalfhot you are now using thursdaymurderclub, hence a name change fail.

So you have changed names. I was actually trying to be nice so all your posts are not connected.

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:45

@TheSpoonyNavyReader not really just different devices... if MN want to delete they can do.

My original post says name not changed... nothing to hide

McGregor33 · 25/07/2024 11:44

Going back 13 years now my oldest was baptised, we have a big family and also the church is big. I think we were around the £300 mark for cake (one of the £50 Greggs ones) and food and refreshments. We then made a donation to the church as well. Similar with my middle daughter. Their Dad was a church elder though, my youngest hasn’t been baptised even though offered at birth and neither me nor her dad are religious.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 11:21

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 10:51

Where does it say she won't? I've clearly stated she asked how to do it?

Are my children now also not allowed to ask help?

Is this a Name change fail, you may want to ask MN to delete

PippyLongTits · 25/07/2024 11:19

The (adult) child demanding money for their child's birthday is the unreasonable one. It is your money and it is so rude to start putting claims in. My sister got married several years ago and my parents contributed significantly to this. I have no idea of the exact sum and would never ask. And I would never in a million years demand an equivalent contribution towards my personal expenses!

Make sure you have a will OP because when you/your partner pop your clogs, unless things are written down specifically, your 6 children are going to start putting in claims for future birthdays, weddings, holidays, driving lessons, parties etc before the money is divvied up or else the grabby ones are going to fall out over who gets the dining table or some other such nonsense.

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 11:02

@Newposter180 what do you mean how?

How do I know? My youngest DD is graduating in November... she is neither married, has a house or children.

Of course she will have the event marked in a way she chooses and we shall offer whatever help she requires and will receive a gift.. not always money?

Your question is pointless

skyeisthelimit · 25/07/2024 11:01

YANBU. You contribute towards an event, so if the event doesn't happen then of course you aren't going to give them any money because they don't have the costs of the event.

They appear very ignorant and entitled.

ABirdsEyeView · 25/07/2024 11:00

I mean, you could give the dc with the baby's birthday party a cash gift, but then they'd complain if you did the same for your DD's baby because she'd already had help with the baptism. It's a never ending spiral of competition

ABirdsEyeView · 25/07/2024 10:58

OP don't get drawn into discussions about whether your grandchild should be baptised and the importance of whether your dd attends church - it is irrelevant. Your dd has decided to baptise her baby and that's her prerogative. You have decided to support her in that, which is also your prerogative.

Your other dc don't need the support which you are giving to your dd since they are not doing this particular event themselves. End of!
They just don't want your dd to get something they aren't getting. Even though they have no need of it. That's what you have to address - their sense of unfairness and entitlement. I'm trying to be scrupulously fair, you've inadvertently created a situation where some of your kids have become grabby. That needs shutting down.

Newposter180 · 25/07/2024 10:54

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 10:49

Of course ... but we are a few years away from that!

How? Surely the vast majority of people would have academic achievements before marriage and babies? My point was just that relationships and family aren’t for everyone, it doesn’t make them lesser and other milestones should also be celebrated by wider family IMO.

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 10:53

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 10:51

Where does it say she won't? I've clearly stated she asked how to do it?

Are my children now also not allowed to ask help?

Honestly no idea what you’re taking about. Are you the OP?

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 10:51

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 10:49

Just say it as it is then, you take GC to church and now you want to parade them around all your church friends in the way of a baptism. Your DD wouldn’t organise the vicar or church and nor would she throw or pay for a party, it’s your party so you are paying in order to make it happen.

But the justification your your other child is strange, you’ve essentially told them it’s essential to have cake after a christening therefore you’re paying for it, but cake for 1st birthday is optional. It’s a weird set of rules so I don’t think you can be annoyed that they didn’t immediately know this.

Edited

Where does it say she won't? I've clearly stated she asked how to do it?

Are my children now also not allowed to ask help?