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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:15

ive not changed the name, as i'm expecting as much of a beating on this post as i got on my last one.

on the last post i missed an important fact on purpose because it bore no relevance to the topic.

my DH and i have 6 children between us, he has 4 and i have 2, so for those doing the math, the DS referred too in my last post is actually DSS. i mention it now as it will answer questions i know i will get. Just to clarify, we don't use the term step children. my children are his children, his children are mine, they are all treated equally. when 1 gets married they receive a cash gift, this gift is the same amount irrespective, when babies came, the same, sex reveal parties, the same, baby showers.. i'm sure you get the idea! All the children know that should they decide on any of the above, that cash gift is there for them. when birthdays come round, they all get a small cash gift, both them and their partners. this gift is not a lot, a token, enough for a meal out as they are adults and its more the gesture than anything else.

I go to church, church has a big impact on my life and has done for many years. my DD's were baptised by their grandfather, and their dads side of the family all hold religious office of one kind or another. my DD's both went to church until they chose not too. it was and is never forced on them and i respect their choices. DH and his children never set foot in a churh in their lives, and were all adults when i came into their lives. They know i have faith and respect that but its not for them which is totally fine.

My DD wants to have baby baptised, even though they themselves no longer attend church, they know how important this is to me and their dads side of the family so therefore its all booked. On this occasion, as the church is only important to me and not to my DH who absolutely does not do the whole church thing I am giving the cash gift on this occasion. The same rule applies, should any of the DC decide to have their babies baptised, then they will receive this gift. I need to make this clear, as i know some will come for me about this, there is zero pressure for the GC to be baptised, its a choice the parents need to make for their children themselves.

Of course you knew there would be a but. DS and DIL are unhappy, they have no plans to baptise their son, but why should they not receive a cash gift just becuase they are not having their baby baptised, and that we should therefore give them a cash gift for their babies 1st birthday party instead! We have pointed out that 3 of our other children have chosen not to marry (yet if at all) and they can't claim their wedding gift based on this, so no, on this occasion!

We do not believe that 1st birthday parties are something we should be paying for, for any of our GC, thats the parents responsibility. We will of course be giving a gift to the baby, what grandparent wouldn't. But if we give cash on this occasion, then in fairness we have to give to all.

AIBU?

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Katbum · 01/08/2024 23:43

my nephews were christened and my parents gave some money towards the christening. My baby was not as we are atheist. I did not think my baby should be compensated for her cousins having a christening. That’s very weird and grabby. My child and presumably theirs will have other occasions on which they are spoiled - and my child (and my
husband and I) also got to enjoy the christening gift as guests.

FTMaz · 01/08/2024 22:46

Why are grown up children asking for money? I wouldn’t dream of asking for anything from my Mum for son. She buys him gifts when she wants to not when I want her to.

AndyPandyismyhero · 01/08/2024 16:56

I don't think yabu at all. As another pp said, baptism is a once in a lifetime event whereas birthdays one around every year. There is bound to be a time when your other dgc have reason to celebrate something that the others don't and I'm sure the your ds and Dil wouldn't be happy if all other dgc received the same gift for the sake of evening things out. One may go to university, one might learn to drive, another may achieve something special in another context such as sport, scouting/guiding etc. You would only expect to acknowledge that achievement, not just hand out cash randomly to the others? As far as exams go, personally, I reward effort, not achievement. If someone achieved 9s or 1's, the important thing is that they gave it their very best shot.
It sounds as though for you and your family, baptism is definitely a spiritual occasion, not just an excuse for a jolly up. You speak of church members enjoying a coffee and slice of cake after. That sounds like a true welcome to the church family and imo, is not comparable to a first birthday party.

Enko · 01/08/2024 07:22

Op I'm a bit late to this so I hope you see this.

I grew up in Denmark confirmations are a HUGE thing there with big celebrations and large cash gifts.

Of my 4 only ds has chosen to get confirmed. When he did both my father stepdad and sister sent him generous amounts as a gift for his confirmation. His sisters understood that as they had not chosen to have this celebration of their faith this would not be given to them.

We celebrate that moment and decision
We are not "spreading it out evenly" in the suggestion of the 1st birthday they are actively suggesting that 1 grandchildren should not get the same as the others.

Hold firm it doesn't matter if you call it a gift or a contribution. It is for this child's christening and the others have chosen to not have this celebration. So no gift/contribution.

Catopia · 01/08/2024 07:07

I'm not sure about tying a cash gift to a religious decision to be honest.
I would personally take the policy that the same amount of money is there for each DC and DGC, which will be gifted at a timing that is appropriate for them and their needs, be it wedding, house purchase or other relevant event (exam results, graduation, driving lessons... whatever is needed or relevant to them as an individual), or otherwise will sit on trust for them so if you die without them taking it they will still receive the same as their siblings/cousins have. This allows you to be even handed but also help each of them when they need it, rather than giving an arbitrary gift for 1st birthday or whatever and then refusing when they actually need it.

summerdazey · 01/08/2024 07:02

It's a baptism gift. If they don't get married they don't get the wedding gift. Not sure why they are moaning.

Marvelsquirrel · 01/08/2024 06:59

You are not being unreasonable. You’ve agreed to help with once in a lifetime special occasions. While birthdays are important to children, they happen every year and the cost of the party is for the parents to pay. It’s part of the expense of raising children.
I would also be annoyed if my child started telling me how to spend my money.
Giving money to help with big life events is a lovely thing to do but I imagine the business about the first birthday party, and your child’s sense of entitlement to a share of your cash, is souring it a bit.
People do act strange over money. I’ve seen families tear themselves apart over a small inheritance. It seems to bring out the worst in people.
I don’t know what you can do about it now they all know about your windfall. Like you say, you can’t get into a situation where you are funding all the parties.
I think your post makes perfect sense. Clearly a wedding or a baptism is in a different category to a birthday party.

Linux20 · 31/07/2024 10:47

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:15

ive not changed the name, as i'm expecting as much of a beating on this post as i got on my last one.

on the last post i missed an important fact on purpose because it bore no relevance to the topic.

my DH and i have 6 children between us, he has 4 and i have 2, so for those doing the math, the DS referred too in my last post is actually DSS. i mention it now as it will answer questions i know i will get. Just to clarify, we don't use the term step children. my children are his children, his children are mine, they are all treated equally. when 1 gets married they receive a cash gift, this gift is the same amount irrespective, when babies came, the same, sex reveal parties, the same, baby showers.. i'm sure you get the idea! All the children know that should they decide on any of the above, that cash gift is there for them. when birthdays come round, they all get a small cash gift, both them and their partners. this gift is not a lot, a token, enough for a meal out as they are adults and its more the gesture than anything else.

I go to church, church has a big impact on my life and has done for many years. my DD's were baptised by their grandfather, and their dads side of the family all hold religious office of one kind or another. my DD's both went to church until they chose not too. it was and is never forced on them and i respect their choices. DH and his children never set foot in a churh in their lives, and were all adults when i came into their lives. They know i have faith and respect that but its not for them which is totally fine.

My DD wants to have baby baptised, even though they themselves no longer attend church, they know how important this is to me and their dads side of the family so therefore its all booked. On this occasion, as the church is only important to me and not to my DH who absolutely does not do the whole church thing I am giving the cash gift on this occasion. The same rule applies, should any of the DC decide to have their babies baptised, then they will receive this gift. I need to make this clear, as i know some will come for me about this, there is zero pressure for the GC to be baptised, its a choice the parents need to make for their children themselves.

Of course you knew there would be a but. DS and DIL are unhappy, they have no plans to baptise their son, but why should they not receive a cash gift just becuase they are not having their baby baptised, and that we should therefore give them a cash gift for their babies 1st birthday party instead! We have pointed out that 3 of our other children have chosen not to marry (yet if at all) and they can't claim their wedding gift based on this, so no, on this occasion!

We do not believe that 1st birthday parties are something we should be paying for, for any of our GC, thats the parents responsibility. We will of course be giving a gift to the baby, what grandparent wouldn't. But if we give cash on this occasion, then in fairness we have to give to all.

AIBU?

Your family set up seems similar to mine. You and your husband would be “My parents” in this scenario.
My parents have 4 kids between them. My Stepmum has 2 and my Dad has 2. They are also church goers.
My Stepbrother has 2 children, non churchgoers didn’t get children baptised. My brother and my stepsister have no children.
i have a son, go to church and got my son christened.
There is absolutely no way that any of my siblings would query if my parents gave a gift to my son or us for the christening (I can’t remember if they did - he’s 19 now!). It’s a gift for a set occasion and would be treated like that.
We understand that different siblings have been given gifts at different times for different occasions, although it’s kept quite private who has been given what and when. But we would certainly never quibble and say you’ve paid for that for them, so you should pay for something for us.
You’re not being unreasonable. It’s a gift for a set occasion, DS is being entitled and grabby.

Aishah231 · 31/07/2024 09:19

Hi OP. This is slightly off the point but in your effort to be fair are you sure you're not being unfair to your two DC. Do your step children get gifts etc from their mother's side of the family. I think I've understood correctly that you're widowed. If so is your children's inheritance from their Dad protected? If not I would rethink this whole system.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 31/07/2024 08:41

OP - many people who don’t do a baptism or naming ceremony do a big family party for their dcs 1st birthday to still have the family event. At 1 they don’t really care/enjoy the party is it is for the grownups.

I got invited to a lot of friends babies first birthday parties but then not subsequent parties.

I do think the problem is you have called it a cash gift. You were never offering money, you were offering to buy the food. They never had the option to take the cash and not cater the party.

Luckylu123 · 31/07/2024 00:01

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:58

lol well it looks like i must now doesn't it.... i honestly didn't know paying for GC's first birthday celebrations was a thing for Grandparents! so it looks like i need a conversation with DH

OP I hope this is sarcasm, you absolutely do not have to contribute to all future birthday parties. WTF I can’t believe the amount of flack you are getting, do people expect you to contribute to 10 year old grandsons birthday party to laser tag when only school friends are invited and no extended family.

DecoratingDiva · 29/07/2024 17:42

It all seems pretty clear, for certain life events (baptism, wedding etc) you choose to give your children a specified cash gift.

If the thing doesn’t apply to them then they don’t get the gift, it is not a difficult concept & your DS is being somewhat cheeky to demand the gift for his child.

I would probably have chosen to put the same amount in a savings account for each grandchild at birth then they all get something but then one of the parents would complain that child X was born a few years prior to theirs and so has more interest and it’s not fair. Essentially some people are CFs and will always find something to complain about, especially where money is concerned.

beanii · 29/07/2024 17:28

Of course the grandparents shouldn't pay - you paid for your own children's parties.

Parents responsibility.

Just reiterate to them, should they change their mind and baptise their children to cash gift would be the same.

I would also be having a little talk about growing up and not comparing who's had what etc - just be grateful to have a loving family - many of us don't.

Elsvieta · 25/07/2024 20:38

What next - a relative who isn't getting married demands a gift equal to what you're giving to a relative who is?

Demanding money like that is. . . not classy, to put it politely. Ignore.

thursdaymurderclub · 25/07/2024 16:05

@Newposter180 I'm afraid I'm back on my phone... the answer was by no means snippy ... but again it's all down to interpretation I guess.

You were talking about graduations and stuff... the babies are currently 2 months and 6 months old! We ARE a long way from graduation should they chose an academic route

Newposter180 · 25/07/2024 15:42

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 25/07/2024 11:47

You have used 2 different user names, your original post was in

itainthalfhot you are now using thursdaymurderclub, hence a name change fail.

So you have changed names. I was actually trying to be nice so all your posts are not connected.

Edited

Exactly - because the snippy posts to me made zero sense given that they appeared to me coming from a random person, not the OP.

masomenos · 25/07/2024 15:16

Your grandchildren are young, and for now the amounts are small (all this over £250, shameful really). Where will it end? A card with £100 in it by way of congrats to the grandchild who got all A*s in her GCSEs. Will the parents of the grandchild who didn’t do so well expect the same “because they out in just as much effort and it’s not their fault they’re not as clever”?? Wedding gifts for those who marry, but the parents of those who don’t marry will ask for the same because “it’s not their fault they haven’t met someone, in fact they’re more deserving as they’re all alone”? God forbid when it comes to wills.

The ONLY way around this is to shut it down completely. Don’t tell anyone about anything, other than the people directly involved. If they talk amongst themselves and challenge you, have the same stock answer for them all: We’re not going to discuss our financial affairs with any of you.

This is ridiculous already and will only get more ridiculous as the grandchildren grow.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 14:56

bfsham · 25/07/2024 14:51

If you were being ordinarily charitable OP I'd concur with you. However, it would seem all your charitable acts are trumpeted about, talked about at length amongst the family causing all this unpleasantness.
I stand by my lady bountiful comment. You strike me as one of those people who enjoy handing out money but with mega strings attached.

well i guess thats just your opinion and we are all entitled to them. im not sure what unpleasantness you speak of or what strings?

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bfsham · 25/07/2024 14:51

If you were being ordinarily charitable OP I'd concur with you. However, it would seem all your charitable acts are trumpeted about, talked about at length amongst the family causing all this unpleasantness.
I stand by my lady bountiful comment. You strike me as one of those people who enjoy handing out money but with mega strings attached.

jay55 · 25/07/2024 14:31

Surely there will be other events in time, that not all the grandkids will have, graduations, kings scout award, special sports matches or performances. Things will be celebrated along the way and you'll probably make a call on giving a donation to the party, hopefully in a way that evens it all out between them.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 14:13

bfsham · 25/07/2024 14:09

You and your husband are financial over-sharers, which is the root of all these issues.
The DS that asked if you and your DH were funding the christening tea party -should have been firmly to mind their own business. It's nothing to do with telling lies; it's information they are not entitled to receive !!
Oh OP come on , the children asking for money and information are so rude, it's breathtaking. Get some boundaries in place OP, and stop all this financial over-sharing going forward.
There's a touch of the lady-bountifuls going on here though. That's the impression I'm forming anyway from your posts.

as i said previously... i didnt over-share... DH did. and yes you are right it does need dealing with but thats another thread for another day.

im not sure what you mean by lady-bountifuls... another slur on a caring mother because as we all know they are not allowed on MN are they

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bfsham · 25/07/2024 14:09

You and your husband are financial over-sharers, which is the root of all these issues.
The DS that asked if you and your DH were funding the christening tea party -should have been firmly to mind their own business. It's nothing to do with telling lies; it's information they are not entitled to receive !!
Oh OP come on , the children asking for money and information are so rude, it's breathtaking. Get some boundaries in place OP, and stop all this financial over-sharing going forward.
There's a touch of the lady-bountifuls going on here though. That's the impression I'm forming anyway from your posts.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 14:08

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 14:06

I didn’t say you owed them a party, not that you have to pay for everything.
I’m simply saying it’s not that crazy for this person to have gone to the GPs who are paying for a party for one baby. You say in your OP you have specifically let them know there is this pot of money available for various lifestyle events for them, so it’s not really out of nowhere for them to say ‘you paid £250 for cake and tea for baby A’s party what about baby B?’
Clarify it’s a post christening party and move on.

to be fair with the designer clothes they have cut off their noses despite their faces... we buy 1 outfit tops every couple of weeks, whereas with the 2nd hand stuff, it WAS designer stuff and we got bags of it for the same money!

Also I’m not sure the relevance of the clothes to this? The further details don’t really paint the couple in as bad of a light as you think.
Every few weeks you gave them bags of charity shop baby clothes? Honestly no one needs that much admin with a young baby.

I have a relative who dumps huge bags from the charity shop on me, a huge rage of baby sizes, season etc. it’s annoying. No one needs vast quantities.
1 outfit every few weeks max is more than enough of a gift from GPs. I’m sure they much prefer that. Plus if the size is wrong it can be swapped when new so it’s actually useful.

im afraid this refers to another post.... i asked what they wanted and needed... they asked for clothes in a certain size.. lots of clothes which is what we got for them not realising they wanted brand new.

i dont just dump things on people.. we communicate with our children and ask what their needs are nothing more nothing less

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zzar45 · 25/07/2024 14:06

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 12:37

i can't remember if i have replied to you... so taking your theory into account, and we have well established now that i didn't mean to use the term 'gift'.

i just have to keep handing out money left right and centre? we have 6 children, there will be more GC i do not doubt. at what point do we say enough is enough? at what age do the GC have to be before we stop helping them out?

I didn’t say you owed them a party, not that you have to pay for everything.
I’m simply saying it’s not that crazy for this person to have gone to the GPs who are paying for a party for one baby. You say in your OP you have specifically let them know there is this pot of money available for various lifestyle events for them, so it’s not really out of nowhere for them to say ‘you paid £250 for cake and tea for baby A’s party what about baby B?’
Clarify it’s a post christening party and move on.

to be fair with the designer clothes they have cut off their noses despite their faces... we buy 1 outfit tops every couple of weeks, whereas with the 2nd hand stuff, it WAS designer stuff and we got bags of it for the same money!

Also I’m not sure the relevance of the clothes to this? The further details don’t really paint the couple in as bad of a light as you think.
Every few weeks you gave them bags of charity shop baby clothes? Honestly no one needs that much admin with a young baby.

I have a relative who dumps huge bags from the charity shop on me, a huge rage of baby sizes, season etc. it’s annoying. No one needs vast quantities.
1 outfit every few weeks max is more than enough of a gift from GPs. I’m sure they much prefer that. Plus if the size is wrong it can be swapped when new so it’s actually useful.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 13:26

Mudflaps · 25/07/2024 13:07

Your DS and DIL are the problem and will continue to be unless you learn to deal with them. They (unfortunately) know you have a nest egg put away which is being used to fund gifts/contributions for your children and grandchildren, they are determined to get as much of this for themselves and will use whatever means necessary to do so. Stand up to them now or you will be battling this forever. The money is yours, no-one should have any say is how it's spent other than you and your husband so please make this known. I've seen similar behaviour in my own family, my parents came into a lot of money through the sale of a business, my younger sibling and I are of the belief it has nothing to do with us but my older sibling has a very different view, he told me that he intends to get as much as possible from my parents despite having little affection for them, he chose to have little to do with our family after he married and despite years of effort we hardly know his children but once the money was in play his children visited my parents twice yearly, on their birthday and at Christmas, on the sole expectation of receiving a cash gift. Put a stop to the expectations held by your dc, the money is yours and you will decide how it's spent, maybe tell them you're planning an extended cruise til it's all gone, that might shut them up. And regarding new brand name clothes for dgc, make sure you spend the same amount on clothes for the others who aren't as fussy, my mother loved shopping in charity shops for children's clothes despite her wealth and my younger sibling and I were very grateful.

to be fair with the designer clothes they have cut off their noses despite their faces... we buy 1 outfit tops every couple of weeks, whereas with the 2nd hand stuff, it WAS designer stuff and we got bags of it for the same money!

both my husband and i regularly shop in charity shops, we love a bargain! we do actually cruise a few times and year and our whole wardrobe is from charity shops.

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