Greater Manchester Police brutality

Can't believe do many are trying to defend or make excuses for these "victims" who violently assaulted the police.
The only mistake the police made was drawing their tasers rather than their firearms and putting these violent thugs down.
I think every police officer in Manchester to walk out until the suspended officer is reinstated.
If a police officer is carrying a loaded firearm, someone physically attacking them could mean that person is trying to steal the weapon and use it against either the officers themselves, or other members if the public. That is a massive risk that needs to be neutralised by any means. These thugs are lucky the police showed so much restraint that they are crying over a kick to the head when the police wear fully in their rights to shoot them dead.

It always amuses me how much some Mumsnetters hate the police.

Skyler has already decided the officer is guilty. Lots of claims and assumptions with little substance.

@JacquesHarlow makes some really good points that seem to be from an informed perspective.

Could you just confirm , as in quote your source, that the cyst was caused by the police officer's kick.

I don't deny he has a cyst but I haven't found proof it was caused by the kick as you claim it does.

I think the word you’re looking for is incomprehensible, @Gummybear23

Do they have guns?

In the U.S. they shoot first, make excuses second and are tried for murder third — or are sometimes rewarded for killing the innocents.

A large police officers association just recently endorsed Trump for president - after his supporters attacked police officers at the U.S. Capital building.
I despair.

This is just musing, but I wondered if the officer reacted as he did because female officers had been so brutally assaulted. Did it trigger him in a way that it might not have if it had been male colleagues?

I’m probably talking crap, so will go to bed!

Best not to drag an armed police officer yo the ground.

Best not to kick a suspect in the head, whatever the boot. It was violent enough to cause a cyst on his brain.

It is not understandable that he lashed out

would it have been understandable if he had pulled out a firearm and shot him

you have to keep in control this is your role, your job what you have been trained to do

the approach from behind, the very quick actions of putting him into a headlock show that they were expecting a level a resistance of course not to be attacked but why the approach in this way

working in mh I have too often seen police pumped up ready for action and disappointed when there is none and those that seem very happy to apply force

i have also worked with police that have been fantastic when they have needed to restrain someone or escort them and been respectful

Best not to assume.

Hateam

I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know he was wearing steel capped boots?

Fair point. A relative was with West Midlands Police a couple of years ago and they were standard so I assumed.

They were also carrying loaded firearms. That must have added to the stress of being completely overpowered in the way they were.

Even Andy Burnham, who is outspoken on behalf of people, is reported to have said that the incident is complicated and not clear cut.

I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know he was wearing steel capped boots?

He’s human first. Not sure you can totally train a nervous system out of a flight and fight reflex.

There will be consequences but I don’t think any of us can be absolutely certain how we’d behave under such stressful situations.

The CCTV footage shows it all happens so quickly, and even that footage seems to be slowed down.

The initial reports suggested this man was tasered on the floor and then along comes the officer who boots him in the face.

Whereas now we see he’s more or less kicked as soon as he goes down. When you factor in the time it takes the officer to raise his leg in order to kick it and the time it takes for the attacker to fall to the floor and stop lashing out, I think they both seem to happen at the same time and the kick connects a few tenths of a second too late.

rosiers · Today 00:48
Looks to me that he stamps on his head, although I'm not sure how important that aspect is considering we know he just booted him. Following that, he knees him in the kidney, but doesn't cuff him and gets up leaving him there.
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He goes over to the other man who is sat still with his hands over his head, kicks him on the thigh and then hits him on the back of the head with the taser in his hand.”

Thats all perfectly acceptable, it would seem, to some posters.

I would seriously question the suitability of someone with such lack of control as a firearms officer.

The officer who kicked the man, was the officer who was dragged backwards onto the floor by an extremely violent man who was going all out in inflict as much injury as he could.

Being dragged backwards on to the floor would have been terrifying for anybody. It would have been unreasonable to expect that officeing to be thinking about the best way to calmly deescalate the situation. In an encounter that violent survival instincts would have taken over.

He kicked the man just 3 seconds after he was on the ground. He would not have had time to regain his composure, understandably he lashed out.

I’ve already given you my thoughts on it:

Had the man in question been handcuffed, forced to the ground and kicked in the face, I would have a serious problem with it.

Watching this absolute psychopath inflict extreme violence on officers doing nothing more than their job - I have less of a problem with it.

Apolloneuro · Today 00:56
It’s not acceptable, but when you see the way the men behaved in the run up to it, I can see how the police officer lost it …”

He is an highly trained, armed officer. He should not loose it.

Vivi0 · Today 00:33
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 00:21
Yes, he very clearly stomps on his head with a bloody great boot! Not sure what footage you’ve seen? It’s been all over the news. Crystal clear. Watch again, maybe?

I watched this footage, and you can only see a kick to the face.

No, not on BBC News at Ten. the man’s head is stamped on.

Are you suggesting that a police uniform steel toe capped boot in the face with force is acceptable?

It’s not acceptable, but when you see the way the men behaved in the run up to it, I can see how the police officer lost it. Not saying he shouldn’t be punished, but the men were acting like demons. I’m not losing sleep over them. My sympathy lies with the injured officers.

The YouTube video I referred to earlier breaks this down frame by frame. And shows how vulnerable this officer was. Don't forget they are carrying loaded firearms. At one point in the footage whilst they are on the floor, the blue top guys hand was near the officers leg ( where firearm was). The police have to do what they can in those split seconds to protect themselves and the public.

New footage has now been released showing what happened leading up to this, I'm not saying the police officer was in the right kicking and stamping on the guys head, but look at the footage before.

Looks to me that he stamps on his head, although I'm not sure how important that aspect is considering we know he just booted him. Following that, he knees him in the kidney, but doesn't cuff him and gets up leaving him there.

He goes over to the other man who is sat still with his hands over his head, kicks him on the thigh and then hits him on the back of the head with the taser in his hand.