Greater Manchester Police brutality

Some of these posts are mad agree with you and others saying the same. It’s just going internet / mn fodder.

No attempt at engaging how it would be in that situation with that level of violence

This thread really demonstrates why people make such unreliable witnesses. People become convinced of what they think they saw and base all other interpretations of events on that while ignoring anything that may contradict their position.

when I watched the video the first couple of times it looked as though the officer stamped on his head. On watching it again, I just focussed on the light blue guy’s head and the floor area - if you do that you will see it looks more like the officer’s boot comes down on the floor.

Anyway I’m sure the footage is being reviewed in more detail than is possible for any of us so the investigation will determine that.

The thing is, when these officers are training, they're know they are 'training'. They know at that time, that barring an accident, no-one is really going to shoot or hurt them intentionally.

How often do these officers get caught up in a real-life violent kick-off situation, where there is a crowd of people, in an airport, and everything is unfolding uncontrollably in a few seconds?

The whole thing is over in an instant. No time to politely ask the suspects to submit to arrest if they wouldn't mind. No time to reason with violent thugs who are clearly intent on bashing up these police officers. No time to allow an incident to escalate that could result in numerous people being shot or otherwise injured.

Training can only go so far. What we don't see is the probably dozens of routine incidents akin to this that the police must handle successfully day in, day out.

It's a shame that many police forces have a reputation for being lenient on their own officers. I don't envy anyone dealing with this awful situation however.

There’s your evidence.

It's fair enough for police to use force to defend yourself, no one is suggesting otherwise. But in this case, the man had been tased and was prone on the floor completely subdued, then the policeman decided to stomp on his head. That isn't self defence, it's violent punishment and not what the police are there to do.

I do think the airport setting is the best (only?) mitigation factor for the violent police officer. It's a high stakes environment for law enforcement. Must be scary when something suddenly kicks off in the terminal building and you're running in blind.

Not that that excuses kicking someone in the head.

Perhaps a wider conversation can be had about how to properly discuss and analyse a serious incident where police have broken bones and are overwhelmed by extremely violent attackers, so that this forum can attract a better standard of people @runrabbitruns

Perhaps a wider conversation needs to be had about paying them properly so that the force can attract a better standard of people.

I don’t understand why everyone is surprised that there’s yet another case of police brutality.

Has anyone actually spoken to police men ? They are usually not the smartest and often have a certain swagger. They are night club bouncers with badges and the police force has been proven to be racist and misogynistic.

So why everyone is surprised that another white police man is violently kicking another brown man is a mystery to me.

The level of violence the police have to contend with is pretty shocking. Police officers have died, no I don’t generally have much time for the police, I think quite a few shouldn’t be doing the job.

But people are very dismissive. I had a member of the police in my family, his wife was fucking terrified when he was called out for riot/crowd control. They have shit thrown at them, they are attacked etc. I mean the complete lack of sympathy shown here is quite sad really. They need to protect themselves and the public from exactly these types of people who use violence like it’s nothing.

I think its fortunate that proper investigators will be examining all evidence, including the CCT and mobile videos, plus hopefully bodycams, instead of guilt or innocence being decided by the online kangaroo court who see different things in videos depending which side they are on.

And that hopefully any convictions of anyone involved are not damaged by the online speculation. (Including the bits that apparently happened inside the airport or on the plane)

Absolute scumbags, fair play to the Police Officers.

How can anyone side with those men who attacked the police? Do you not realise that the police are humans who are doing an insane job to protect you? In my opinion, he showed an incredible amount of restraint that I do not have. It's easy to feel morally smug all safe at home, tapping your keyboards.

What I still find fascinating is how many people on this thread want to introduce completely unsubstantiated stuff , to try and indict the officer(s) who were fighting to gain control over highly violent suspects who had attacked them and heavily injured a fellow officer.

here’s some examples of the unsubstantiated stuff:

“ I can understand why they retaliated”

”loss of control”

”police cannot be judge and jury”

“the suspect said something before he kicked their face”

etc..

All these comments do is introduce confusion and doubt, adding completely unsubstantiated character accusations to portray the policeman as an out of control, vindictive person who reacted to something completely unheard or unseen on the tape, but the Mumsnetter wants to join the dots and create a “motive”.

It is like the Jay Slater case ended, and so all the “I know more than you” types have piled in here instead.

Please stop. NOT EVERYTHING IS A GAME OR A CONSPIRACY.

As l have said since page 1 of this thread and since before the new footage came out, these police were overwhelmed in number and trying to restrain a set of highly violent and continually aggressive suspects who had assaulted officers from behind and broken the nose of a female officer.

The Taser is not a “stun gun” where the person miraculously falls asleep the minute they come into contact with it. This is not Star Trek.

i wish we could just wait until the inquiry - clearly someone sympathetic to the police has release this new video for the very reason that the officer was being tried in the court of public opinion on the basis of an abridged clip with NO context.

And of course all the mobile footage immediately put into the public domain was edited to focus on the kick. I can't imagine witnessing that and my takeaway being 'police brutality.' If I was at the airport with my family and a pair of violent thugs were attacking armed police, I'd be pleased they'd been subdued and wouldn't care how really. And now protestors, despite the fact that the officer is suspended and under investigation.

Unbelievable what some people expect the police to endure. At some point, when violently assaulted, at risk of having your weapon stolen, fearing for your life, human nature and self preservation kicks in. If you don't want to risk being kicked by a policeman, don't attack armed police at an airport.

If that police officer was my husband, and he was punched to the ground along with his two fellow officers. I would expect him to do anything and everything he could to protect the life of himself, his fellow officers and the general public.

Once that violent thug was on the ground he would need to make absolutely certain that he wasn't going to get up and have another go.

Next time maybe they should use the guns that were provided for just such an occasion. That way they will avoid all this criticism from keyboard warriors who would probably run away under such circumstances.

CakeorWine

What was said just before the violent man pummelled the officer?

What i saw was two officers coming up behind him, grabbing and manhandling him, him struggling, two more cops coming from the right, the other bloke waded in and there was a general melee.

The first cops seemed to make no attempt to do anything but grip him. Some people might submit meekly to someone trying to get them in a stranglehold from behind, but plenty won't.

I agreed already that he reacted badly, but it was a very human reaction.

Those poor police officers. Just look at the level of violence used on the police. How are these men claiming to be victims and the public being sucked in. They are looking for big compensation. Oh and that solicitor of theirs, claiming it was an assination attempt, he is so dodgy.

When I saw the initial footage that was released I thought the officers actions were completely out of line. Then I saw the lead up to it and that the male suspect had just viciously attacked two women, one of which was cowed over at the time, trying to protect herself as he went after her to punch her in the face for a second time. I’m not surprised the policeman reacted. I think it would take super human control not to.

Also, the woman who started this all off by getting into an argument and then deciding to set her 2 grown up sons onto the person she was having an argument with needs to think about the consequences of her actions.

So according to the GMP website they are investigating 3 incidents at the airport. An altercation on a flight and/or luggage arrivals then, a violent altercation between the public at 8.22pm at Starbucks and then the incident involving the Police at 8.28pm. The two men attacked the officers straight away their first reaction is violence. I hope that there is CCTV for the other incidents and that the officers recover quickly from their injuries.

Yes he's in the right, If he'd have gotten up again that officer might have lost his life.

These guys need to be locked up for life because they're a serious danger to the public.

The only people that officer is a danger to is people who dish out serious harm on officers, and it looks like attempted murder from where I'm standing

If he doesn't get let off we may as well hand this country over to the criminals and have done with it.

So sick of this nonsense. Don't go around attempting to seriously injure or kill police and then play the victim.

No a suspect at that point, clearly an attempted murderer

Nobody's trained to get the shit kicked out of them. What planet are people on.

Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

These men were clearly resisting arrest. They had been involved in a violent altercation earlier at the airport.
They resisted arrest. Assaulted officers. Firearms officers at that. What choice did the police have but to go in hard? The bloke who was kicked was trying to get up after being tasered. He had already downed an officer. The police had every reason to believe he would try again. The consequences of which could be disastrous.
This isn't some unprovoked attack on an innocent civilian. This is keeping a dangerous man under control in a volatile situation.

You don't fuck about around armed offers. You do as your told and stay on the floor. You can protest your innocence later