Greater Manchester Police brutality

@MauveCrow yes I am serious. What about that footage leads you to believe the perpetrator isn't incapacitated? His whole body is contracted and he appears to be unable to make voluntary movements.

Whilst I can accept that tasers aren't foolproof and don't always work, it seems to be doing a pretty good job on this occasion!

The title of this thread needs amending in light of the evidence of the full video of the attack.
Also, the result of the poll would be different if the whole video had been available at the time of the voting.
Just shows the danger of trial by social media.

The tide is turning now that the full video has been published. In many other countries behaviour like that at an airport would result in the perpetrators being shot dead.
I know where my sympathies lie and it's not with those who attacked the police offers and broke a woman's nose. In some cultures however, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour

Are you serious?

Lookup all the times that tasers fail to incapacitate, or initially work and the. Stop working because the electrode has been dislodged.
Anyone officer trainer in use of firearms and less lethal devices like tasers and trained to not expect a taser to keep someone incapacitated. It's a bonus if they work, only a fool would trust them to keep you and others safe.

This. Have the lowlife scum been arrested yet or are they still supposedly traumatised by the unprovoked attack on them?

I've somewhat changed my mind, it all happened quite quickly and following the brutal attack on police so I can see how in the moment he may have not felt the attacker was truly incapacitated. However, the use of force by stamping on his head was disproportionate in my mind. Having said that, I wasn't there, the colleagues had been attacked, they were concerned about firearms and I've never been in that situation.

What do you mean tasers don't keep people immobile? My understanding is that they work on 5 second charge cycles until stopped. In the original mobile phone footage you can hear the taser fire back up right as the perpetrator jolts their head (a movement which may well have been involuntary, but which some believe shows an intention to get back up). He was actively being tased again when he was kicked in the head.

I've also just seen other footage of a bystander recording the incident who explains he is just recording, and isn't displaying any violent or aggressive behaviour. Nevertheless he is pepper sprayed, put in a headlock and dragged to the ground.

I don't think the investigation will cover just the kick, but everything that led up to it, and followed it.

I've looked carefully and agree with you.
I would still say the the police officer was on the receiving end of a brutal attack. He was attacked from behind, was in a headlock and was being dragged backwards. Under thise circumstances a reflex action in the moment is undesirable but understandable.

Again, just because someone has been tased, it does not mean they are incapacitated.

If a firearms officer is holding a firearm, while trying to subdue a violent attacker, they are within their right to shoot them. Especially if there is a risk to public safety. In this case the risk is a violent attacker gaining control of a firearm, instead the officer used a free limb to help neutralise the attacker. Perfectly acceptable use of force.

I think the police have a lot of problems, and a lot of bad coppers have slipped into the force, but this officer did nothing wrong.

I'm fully in favour of all our police being armed with lethal firearms at all times. As they are in most developed countries around the world.

Just watched it again. I think I’m changing my mind. Didn’t realise it was right next to the public and children and that tasers don’t keep offenders immobile. I think the officer will get a warning but that’s all.

@MauveCrow I'm not defending them, they are violent criminals. It's possible for two things to be true simultaneously.

1. The perpetrators violently assaulted the police;
2. A police officer used force when a perpetrator was incapacitated

You don't think you've demonstrated an appetite for violence by saying the following:

"The only mistake the police made was drawing their tasers rather than their firearms and putting these violent thugs down."

And

"If the violent scum in this country got a good shoeing from the cops on a more regular basis perhaps we would be living a safer country."

Our police are supposed to uphold the law, not break it. Of course some times a situation requires a lot of force, but that should stop once the suspect is incapacitated, not continue!

On the Polices side here. It is an airport, there is a huge risk to public safety. This could've been a terrorist attack and in most airports around the world they'd have been shot!

The next steps are going to be difficult, racial tensions are rising and its not going to take a lot to inflame people from differing communities here. We can't pander to vilolent thugs attacking our Police and that message needs to be clear.

Please.... the only ones with an appetite for violence are the ones who attacked armed police and broke a woman's.

Why are you defending that scum?

@runrabbitruns

So why everyone is surprised that another white police man is violently kicking another brown man is a mystery to me.

Dear lord.

Seeing as you're up so early on a Sunday morning, you've got plenty of time to tell us how they should deal with brown people who assault white police officers.

Leave them to it, then pop round for tea in a week's time?

@MauveCrow your appetite for violence is alarming. Advocating for officers to shoot to kill in situations which don't require it and kicking suspects in the head more often, is unsettling.

Except it was the police who had the shit kicked out of them.

What a load of shit @runrabbitruns

It’s definitely less upsetting having seen what thugs the offenders are. However, I still think it was thug-like to kick and stamp in someone’s head when they are down.

Having seen the footage, I’d like to change my vote please.

Less lethal tasers DO NOT mean someone is immobilised or under control.

If someone attacks an armed police officer and possibly gain control of their firearm, the police are more than justified to use lethal force.

If this had happened are Charles de Gaulle airport, I'm pretty sure both these attackers would be dead, and everyone would just shrug and move on.

Shocked at the level of violence against those police officers; what a volatile situation for the police to manage and in a high security environment of an airport. I hope the injured recover and that the police officers get a fair hearing once all the evidence is collated.

I fully support the officer and hope he's back working soon. More of these feral shitbags could do with a swift kick in the head.

Agree that if he’d kicked while being attacked it would be acceptable. What the office actually did was to pay back the offender for his violence. It was not necessary at that point, lying on the floor with tasers on him.

The dragging to the floor happened due to being tasered.

The two men were violent and aggressive enough without adding extra "facts".