To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?

It's so weird; there's all the angst about drugs and then essentially a point of admin (a label) means that a whole raft of people can come along and shit all over the competition in the most unfair terms possible.

It would be great if every woman athlete at the Olympics just put a big two fingers up to the competition until governments everywhere legislated against it. Trans women are welcome to be women, just not when competing to be fastest, highest or strongest.

Probably been posted already

torontosun.com/sports/other-sports/transgender-athletes-sweep-podium-at-womens-cycling-championship

Theses people are cheats
Pure and simple
Oh look I've won!
Eff of you cheating idiot, you're three times as bloody big!
Sorry, I need a lie-down now...

Which is good news for now, but reducing testosterone levels for two years doesnt take away the in built physical advantages of going through a male puberty, and while Paris might be safe I bet there are National Teams working out how they can subvert the new rulings for 2028 and get their boys back on the female rostrum. Let’s face it, developing DSD athletes to win medals is a lot more of a sure thing than initiating a grass roots system to find, develop , nurture, and train promising female athletes who despite all the input might not end up winning on the day.

I was responding to someone who said it would be difficult and expensive to police participation in the correct sex category not commenting on current practices.

Me too, women can be so naive and easily manipulated unfortunately. All the men I know think it's stupid but laugh as it doesn't affect them in the least. Their view is it's good for them, less competition.

Maybe my view on this is too simplistic, but I think that if you were born with a penis, then you should not compete with people who were not born with a penis.

Sure, but in adult sports the only way to be certain is to swab. Not everyone has a passport, and due to GRC you can't be certain any paperwork will actually display birth sex anyway. Swab is unambiguous and everyone is capable of providing a sample.

The same governing bodies usually oversee both women's and men's sports, so if you place strictures on one and not the other I'd expect someone, sooner or later, to take exception and challenge it. It's why I don't think it's as straightforward as declaring men/boys sports as an open category but religiously testing or expecting documentation from anyone wishing to participate in womens/girls. There is also the complication that in some sports, men's club cricket especially, at the lowest levels it's still common for boys of 13 or 14 to be playing with fully grown men, so the logical end point is that everyone is going to have to prove their eligibility anyway, and swab doesn't present the privacy risk of carrying around documentation, nor the risk of losing/misplacing it.

The penis pandering #bekind handmaidens actually annoy me more than the entitled men. They’re betraying their own sex to support extreme dangerous misogyny. They disgust me

It's so fucking maddening I can't even look at it any more. The world has gone absolutely fucking mad. Makes me hate certain people tbh, I've had to step back from it. Yet another way for men to shaft women as in time immemorial. And the fucking "be kind" idiots 🙄 and the idiotic handmaidens cheering it on and fawning all over these men........

@viques the rules around DSDs in athletics have been massively tightened. There’s not going to be another repeat of Rio 2016.

Who recalls
Karaten Braasch a male tennis player ranked number 203 played a single set against Serena Williams and a single set against Venus. He won 6-1 against Serena and 6-2 against Venus . Two of the greatest female tennis players of all time

Says it all doesn't it

We don’t demand to see the birth certificate of a child to check whether they really are a U12, or of an adult in a sport with age groupings. You do it on an honesty basis and the same applies for sex. When you register as an athlete with a governing body you are asked for your DOB and birth sex and expected to answer honestly. If you are later found to have lied you get sanctioned, just the same as if you had lied about your DOB.

Why should they not compete? Why should they miss out on the medals, the opportunities and the recognition they have trained for?

Transwomen may be banned, but we know from previous years that athletes with DSD, who have been through male puberty, but who identify /have been identified as female (because let’s face it, they are not going to win medals as men) do turn up in the athletics.

It would be fairly straight forward for under 18's. You can't get a GRC before the age of 18 so a birth certificate should give you all the info you need. It wouldn't be an unreasonable ask as many Y18 teams are categorised by age as well as sex,

There aren’t (AFAIK) any transwomen competing in the Olympics. They are banned from competing in the female category in all the major Olympic sports.

The madness that we regularly see reported from the US isn’t representative of the situation at elite level or even at the domestic level in other countries.

Quite, shameless male entitlement; as obvious as the cock and balls on display.

You watch your U15 cricketing daughter face a transgirl fast bowler and tell me it's fair. The power differential (and potential for injury) is obvious.

There is also the issue that the testosterone levels set for m to f transitioners are far higher than those normally seen in women ( because they are men) and this is accepted, but if a woman is tested and found to have raised testosterone which a f to m transman would be likely to have, this is seen as using testosterone as a drug to enhance endurance strength and performance. Hmmm.

It varies by sport and by country. So in cycling, the UCI (the international governing body) states that males cannot compete in female competitions. In the US, the country governing body (USA Cycling) derogates from this for non-elite competition. In the U.K. our governing body (British Cycling) applies it at all levels of competition - in fact the rules originated with British cycling and were then adopted by the UCI.

Similarly, in the U.K, males are banned from female events in triathlon, swimming, athletics, rugby at every level of competition not just elite.

The US is very much an outlier which is why so many of these egregious stories tend to come from there.

Fair Play for Women exposed the US Rowing rules: "You pick your “gender” at the start of the season, and you’re done. No more fair racing for females then, because any male can declare themselves a woman and race in women’s and girls’ events."

There is one exception in the US Rowing policy. It is for mixed crew races, which require equal numbers of male and female rowers in each boat. In those events, the females must be “assigned female at birth”. Yes, they can see that letting males claim female seats in the boat gives that crew an unfair advantage, but in this case it affects their male opposition, so it’s not allowed."

If they are not good enough, or don't feel comfortable competing with men at elite level then yes maybe they should give up.
They won't be in a minority - most people arent elite at sports and most of us can live with being average!

How can these men have the barefaced audacity to put themselves into the women's races and then stand on the podium after stealing a place from a woman? How? Doesn't sound like something a woman would do.

She might only have been in her role for three weeks but she's held some fairly batshit views for a long time. I've heard nothing from her to suggest she's had a change of heart.