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AIBU to not feel like my parents chosen grandchild is part of the family

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Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 19:30

I (32f) have two brothers, T(34m) and V(31). We come from a lower middle class family, but we’re all smart and V and I both graduated from university and live a stable live married with children.

V has had a drug problem in a very long time and has been living a very unstable life. Finally, he was arrested and is currently in prison.
Before he was arrested, he had a girlfriend Y(48f). Y has had a problem with alcohol and lost custody of her three children from three different dads to the respective grandparents.

Shortly after my brother T was arrested, Y realized she was pregnant and claimed T was the father. She thought about terminating the pregnancy but my parents J(62f) and E(63m) as deeply religious people talked her out of it. They supported her throughout the pregnancy, helped her find a small apartment, she got sober and gave birth to a baby girl S(8f). My parents who didn’t have any other grandchildren at that point, treated her like a grandchild and my brother V and I treated her as a niece, although we lived far away and din’t have much contact as she was still a baby.

When Y claimed child support, my brother questioned paternity and a DNA test was done through the court. The test came back negative, my brother T wasn’t the father.
When my parents learned about the test results , S was already 18 months old.
Y told us on Christmas Eve, although I later learned from my grandmother, that my parents had already known for months at that point and I felt manipulated by the timing of telling us. My brother V and me just nodded it off awkwardly back then.

My parents then just decided for themselves, they wanted to keep everything as it was and kept treating S as their grandchild.

My brother V and I have stopped calling us aunt or uncle but otherwise treat Y and S respectfully. They are friendly but don’t fit in very well with us, we have absolutely nothing in common. They are at every family gathering at my parents place, every family holiday. My parents have S stay with them for weeks on end during summer breaks.
Just when my grandmother, my brother or my husband and I are hosting, we don’t invite them, which causes tension with my parents.
Now my brother and I have both had kids who are started getting attached to S and I feel like I have to make a decision to embrace them or not and what to tell S and my children who they are to each other.

I don’t want to punish S since it’s not her fault she doesn’t have family but I also think it was wrong of my parents to push this on us.
So AIBU to feel like S and Y are not part of the family ?

OP posts:
OnePlumGoose · 24/07/2024 23:17

saraclara · 24/07/2024 23:15

What?

When did the child's mum regain custody of her? The OP mentioned the GPs took her as a baby, but when did she return to the mum?

saraclara · 24/07/2024 23:15

OnePlumGoose · 24/07/2024 23:13

when did the child go back to the mum?

What?

Combattingthemoaners · 24/07/2024 23:14

You sound like an utter knob. The end.

OnePlumGoose · 24/07/2024 23:13

when did the child go back to the mum?

saraclara · 24/07/2024 23:10

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 24/07/2024 23:06

Well (a) we don't know if she "tricked" him - she may genuinely have thought he was the father and

(b) There's nothing whatsoever to suggest his parents won't have a place for him- if anything the evidence would suggest there will be.

Why would be want to be in the same room as this woman? Seriously?

I can't imagine being treated appallingly by a man, and coming back after an eight year absence to find that he'd become part of my family.

At best she knew that she'd been unfaithful to him, and that someone else could possibly be the father. But didn't tell him.
At worst, she knew that he probably wasn't, but told him (and his family) that he was, and would have continued deceiving them had he not taken the test.

pimmpomm · 24/07/2024 23:08

We're all highly educated, successfully people and she is, sorry to say, not the brightest.

Are you sure? Maybe re read your OP back to yourself before making wild statements like this. Most highly educated people have much better sentence structure and the common sense not to spout shit like this. Also what a nasty attitude. Your parents love this little girl. She's very lucky to have that stability in her life considering all the junkies she surrounded with. Thank god my grandparents, who were also not related by blood, didn't think like you and your judgemental 'highly educated' wider family.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 24/07/2024 23:06

saraclara · 24/07/2024 23:02

Their son is blood. And he's going to come out of prison to find that the woman who tricked him and the child that she lied about, have taken his place at the family table.

Well (a) we don't know if she "tricked" him - she may genuinely have thought he was the father and

(b) There's nothing whatsoever to suggest his parents won't have a place for him- if anything the evidence would suggest there will be.

saraclara · 24/07/2024 23:02

StMarieforme · 24/07/2024 23:00

There's more to family than blood.

Their son is blood. And he's going to come out of prison to find that the woman who tricked him and the child that she lied about, have taken his place at the family table.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 24/07/2024 23:02

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 22:55

She told me herself she wanted to believe my brother was the dad.
She wasn't raped by the bio dad.
If her actions paint her in a bad light, I guess that's on her. I merely stating facts.

So you don't know if she lied as there was a possibility your bother could have been the father.

No idea what point you're trying to make mentioning rape, although puzzled why you think she, or anyone, would confide in you.

We’re all highly educated, successfully people and she is, sorry to say, not the brightest. Can’t engage in any conversations, she still feels like a stranger who gets to join every gig.'

Well your poor communication skills are on you.

StMarieforme · 24/07/2024 23:00

There's more to family than blood.

saraclara · 24/07/2024 22:58

Your parents are great

@NewFriendlyLadybird , the parents who prevented the mother from having the abortion she planned, because of their religion?

There are things I admire about their commitment to the child, but I wouldn't call then great.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 24/07/2024 22:56

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 22:55

She told me herself she wanted to believe my brother was the dad.
She wasn't raped by the bio dad.
If her actions paint her in a bad light, I guess that's on her. I merely stating facts.

Like she’d tell you if she were!! You’re hardly her BFF. Everything you do know about her you have weaponised against her.

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 22:55

PlacidPenelope · 24/07/2024 20:32

No, these feelings have been there since it came out the mom lied to us about the paternity of my brother.

It appears from what you have written about the circumstances that the child could very well have been your brothers child. You are absolutely determined to paint her in the worst light possible and yet she has by all accounts turned her life around with the help and encouragement of your parents and good on them for supporting her to do so.

She told me herself she wanted to believe my brother was the dad.
She wasn't raped by the bio dad.
If her actions paint her in a bad light, I guess that's on her. I merely stating facts.

OP posts:
NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/07/2024 22:53

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 19:56

It’s not „just“ me causing a divide. My brothers and my grandmother and our spouses all think it’s weird, it’s basically just my parents pushing everyone to play along.

I don’t think it would matter if she fit in better and we enjoyed their company. We’re all highly educated, successfully people and she is, sorry to say, not the brightest. Can’t engage in any conversations, she still feels like a stranger who gets to join every gig.

You actually wrote this out loud? Read it back. Do you not realise how utterly horrible you sound?

Your parents are great.

diktat · 24/07/2024 22:51

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 24/07/2024 22:50

We’re all highly educated, successfully people and she is, sorry to say, not the brightest. Can’t engage in any conversations, she still feels like a stranger who gets to join every gig.'
This is judgemental and unnecessary, all you needed to say was, we're very different people and don't have anything in common. The fact you've felt you needed to post about her lack of education and her intelligence is judgemental. Nowhere does it feel like you're worried about S. You wouldn't exclude her from your family invites as you've said you do in your OP if you were actually concerned for her well being.

She was smart enough to trick a man into thinking her baby was his. I wouldn’t warm to her either.

Scarletttulips · 24/07/2024 22:51

I wonder if your parents are so busy engaging this relationship at the cost of your family bonds, and pushing their addenda, that they almost promise this woman and child are family and you embarrass them by acting like they’re not (I know they’re not) It may also worry you what will happen when your brother who needs support is let out of prison and no longer has a safe space to be round family?

My first thought here is probably your parents have no idea about your thoughts or feelings, or that they don’t actually care?

Despair1 · 24/07/2024 22:51

Twoboysanddog · 24/07/2024 22:45

Everyone on here is so worthy, oh you must love this random unrelated person because she's a child and whilst I agree it's not the child's fault, the mother should've withdrawn when it was clear the child was nothing to do with the family and the relationship with the brother in prisom was over. I totally umderstand not wanting my parents & family taken over by someone who if the brother was not in prison would probably be long gone

Wow

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 24/07/2024 22:50

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 21:20

Where did I judge her though or say I was above mom or daughter ?
Right, nowhere. I gave it as an example as to where we are different. I said we don’t have any common interests, that’s about it.

We’re all highly educated, successfully people and she is, sorry to say, not the brightest. Can’t engage in any conversations, she still feels like a stranger who gets to join every gig.'
This is judgemental and unnecessary, all you needed to say was, we're very different people and don't have anything in common. The fact you've felt you needed to post about her lack of education and her intelligence is judgemental. Nowhere does it feel like you're worried about S. You wouldn't exclude her from your family invites as you've said you do in your OP if you were actually concerned for her well being.

diktat · 24/07/2024 22:50

Jellytotsandwinegums · 24/07/2024 22:25

I understand why you don't want to go along with the pretence that this child is a cousin to your kids, and that you don't want to pressured into playing happy families with your brothers ex.

It sounds as if her mother decieved your brother, and your parents. Up to your parents to fill a grandparent role if they like, and they are probably worried that she could stop them seeing the child they bonded with when they thought your brother was the father. It's unfair of them to expect you and your brother to go along with it, especially as your other brother, the supposed father, doesn't have a relationship with her.

I understand why sometimes you would like time with your actual family, without your brothers ex and her child along, so I think it's reasonable that you don't invite them when you host family gatherings, while continuing to be civil when you're at family gatherings organised by your parents.

I suspect that there is some resentment that this mother and child are the latest in your parents charitable causes, which they seem to have prioritised over you and your brothers when you were growing up.

I agree with this.

No one likes being deceived.

Your parents can invite them to their home but they are very UR to expect you to invite them to your home.

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 22:50

zzar45 · 24/07/2024 22:25

Have you included her up until now?

When my parents ask if they can bring them or tell me they are bringing them I always say yes without a fuss. But they weren’t invited to our older child’s christening. I didn’t want to spend the day explaining this to hubby’s extended family and I also think she might not have been comfortable with that herself.

OP posts:
saraclara · 24/07/2024 22:48

So to all those who say that the whole extended family should embrace mother and daughter (and part of me feels the same), what happens if OP 's brother comes out of prison and refuses to be in the same house as the women who he left and who lied to him about the child?

Because whatever you think about OP and her other brother's attitude, he is the person that matters. Are his parents going to choose this woman and child over their own son, the victim of her lies?

ETA that maybe you could answer this, @RedToothBrush

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2024 22:48

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 19:46

Unfortunately I have to say, I don’t love this girl. We don’t live nearby and don’t see her that often so we never bonded.
I kind of just cherish the times when they aren’t joining and it’s not awkward because they are so different and my parents aren’t all over them the whole time.

So you are a jealous petty adult who can't cope with a child, an innocent child who clearly has a very unstable parent, having the security and support of your parents?

Grow up.

Theunamedcat · 24/07/2024 22:47

Family's cut family off all the time no-one bats an eye

Snugglemonkey · 24/07/2024 22:45

Happygoluckywifey · 24/07/2024 20:15

She is 8 now. The other day she looked at my baby (4 months) and said „I think it’s going to be a boy“. She has to repeat first grade of elementary school. It’s again not her fault she isn’t smart and her mom can’t help her much. And it of course doesn’t make her less then.

No, it is not her fault. It's also pretty horrible if you are rejecting her because she is not smart enough for you.

I have a niece with learning difficulties. I do not look down on her or other her in any way. I seek to find things we can talk about. I have learned a lot about squishmallows. I collect them now. I don't give a fuck about squishmallows, but I do care about that wee face lighting up and I know that she actually seems to enjoy me collecting them more than me just giving them to her. Obviously, I do give them to her, but I keep some for a while etc. so we can share the joy of collecting.

What have you done to bond with this child? A child your parents see as one of your family. A child who may well not be here if your parents had not weighed in and gotten involved with the mother (lost all track of letters).

Your parents were critical in the birth of this child. She is part of your family. We do not get to choose family.

My family are very varied in terms of education, ability, success etc. We can all talk, get on, enjoy one another. Primarily because we want to. You don't like this child. That is a you thing. She is a child. Sort yourself out.

Twoboysanddog · 24/07/2024 22:45

Everyone on here is so worthy, oh you must love this random unrelated person because she's a child and whilst I agree it's not the child's fault, the mother should've withdrawn when it was clear the child was nothing to do with the family and the relationship with the brother in prisom was over. I totally umderstand not wanting my parents & family taken over by someone who if the brother was not in prison would probably be long gone

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