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To apply for DLA for DD when we have a household income of over 300k?

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Milesandmilesandmiles · 24/07/2024 16:14

Just that really - we have an autistic daughter who needs support with most things (although is in mainstream school). Between us DH and I earn over 300k, so we don’t need the money. However, conscious that we won’t be around for ever and we could save it for DD’s needs as she grows. But is this what state benefits are for?

OP posts:
Sirzy · 26/07/2024 08:01

I have never had to sign and return any sort of agreement for DS in the 10 years he has been getting DLA. A letter to tell me I am the appointee and that’s it.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/07/2024 08:00

NineChickennuggets · 26/07/2024 07:19

"As part of applying for the benefit you agree to keep proof of what you’re spending it on. I know it’s unlikely most people will religiously but just be aware."

No you don't. I don't understand why people keep making stuff like this up.

See my post above. Parents have to sign an appointee agreement with DWP so that benefit can be paid to them. They agree to abide by the appointee rules, and to spend the money for the benefit of the child. But that’s all - there is no compulsion to keep records or other proof of how the money is actually spent.

lt’s useful to note that even in DWP’s own literature on disability benefits it states that they don’t monitor or check how the money is being used - it’s left to the claimant or their appointee to decide. That’s what all the fuss about vouchers and other alternatives to cash payments was about a few months ago. The Tories hated the fact that disability benefit claimants had autonomy over how the benefit was spent. DWP doesn’t have the manpower to monitor every claim, so the Tories were trying to introduce legislation allowing more government control in the form of vouchers only to be spent on certain things, and they were consulting on other alternatives to cash.

TigerRag · 26/07/2024 07:46

Pyewacketty · 25/07/2024 23:35

I disagree. Save it for her future. You won’t always be there to support her xx

Its for extra disability related costs. Not to save for her future. And if it's saved this will affect any means tested benefits the OPs daughter may need to claim.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/07/2024 07:43

GuinnessBird · 26/07/2024 06:48

Bollocks, my husband has claimed it for life and hrs never had that.

DLA for a child is slightly different in that the parent becomes the child’s appointee with the DWP, so that benefit can be paid into their account and they can administer the funds. The agreement this poster is talking about contains details of the parents’ responsibilities as an appointee. In signing and returning it, the parent agrees to these responsibilities and to act in the best interests of the child. There is no responsibility on the part of the appointee to provide proof or keep records of how the money is spent because, as with adult disability benefits, there is no legislation dictating expenditure. As long as the money is spent for the benefit of the child, it’s left to the parent as appointee to decide the best way to do this.

Flowers4me · 26/07/2024 07:38

Its for your daughter OP and you have every right to claim it and use it for the extra support and therapies she may need. Also, we don't know what the future holds and its important that our disabled children are set up, for when we are gone. It may help her when/if she goes through the PIP process, which from my experience is a tough process to go through if you're neurodivergent.

sadabouti · 26/07/2024 07:36

Look. It's not means tested, so YANBU to claim it. Whether you need/want to is a personal choice but not one involving a morality conundrum. Yes, you could claim it and save it for the future. There will come a point where your DC is not supported by two adults with £300k income.

NineChickennuggets · 26/07/2024 07:19

"As part of applying for the benefit you agree to keep proof of what you’re spending it on. I know it’s unlikely most people will religiously but just be aware."

No you don't. I don't understand why people keep making stuff like this up.

GuinnessBird · 26/07/2024 06:48

AmberFawn · 24/07/2024 17:06

Do you claim DLA? I have done for the last ten years for my child, including a renewal last year. You get a separate agreement you sign and send back as the administrator of the child’s benefit outlining your responsibilities, which include parts on what it should be spent on. If you’re actually claim you should probably remember that bit.

Bollocks, my husband has claimed it for life and hrs never had that.

NineChickennuggets · 26/07/2024 06:40

You should apply for it because if she is eligible it is your daughters right to have it and any of the associated reasonable adjustments and support that goes with it.

somewhatmiffed · 26/07/2024 04:12

I would. It can help access other things like Sen sessions at events and fast track passes in theme parks etc.

Plus it may help her get support when she is older.

Btw the dla is hard to fill in. You have to describe the most difficult elements of your child's disability and impact. It's not easy to do. Make sure you send any documents from other professionals as they stand for a lot.

ConstantlyFuriosa · 26/07/2024 04:06

So the benefits/welfare bill is out of control and each government is trying to rein it in. How are we supposed to do that if everyone who is ‘entitled’ but doesn’t actually need the money claims, simply because they are ‘entitled’. That should be the catchword of the century.

The OP doesn’t need this money and neither does their child at present. Why claim, then? It just puts a further dent into the taxes that everyone has paid - not just the OP! We all pay them. I have no problem paying into the pot to protect those in need; this op is not in need at present.

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 03:56

@ConstantlyFuriosa well then you know no amount of money can compensate
That it is for the child
And it is incredibly difficult to claim for developmental conditions

This is over and above the huge amount of tax op is paying

ConstantlyFuriosa · 26/07/2024 03:47

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 03:22

Read my comment above
You have no idea
Have you had your 6 year old try to kill himself
Have you watched your child excluded from activities but still forced to watch the video

You have no idea
No wages can compensate

Yeah, I do actually have an idea. Thanks.

Lilacapples · 26/07/2024 03:25

ConstantlyFuriosa · 26/07/2024 03:15

PIP/DLA absolutely should be means tested so no, you shouldn’t be claiming it as you clearly don’t need it. The whole reason this particular benefit is in a state is because it isn’t means tested and those who are genuinely in need of it are seen as scroungers while others who don’t actually need it are letting it pile up in the bank.

This is not the safety-net the welfare state was created for.

It beggars belief that so many are saying, yeah, you’re entitled so go for it but I’m sure would be raising eyebrows at the ‘feckless’ and genuinely impoverished disabled people who actually need it.

I know many people that are claiming it that are absolutely not entitled to it but the system is so messed up they get it through lying and exaggerating.

Lilacapples · 26/07/2024 03:23

Absolutely you should spot because it’s for your daughter and if your daughter is eligible then she’s entitled to it.

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 03:22

ConstantlyFuriosa · 26/07/2024 03:15

PIP/DLA absolutely should be means tested so no, you shouldn’t be claiming it as you clearly don’t need it. The whole reason this particular benefit is in a state is because it isn’t means tested and those who are genuinely in need of it are seen as scroungers while others who don’t actually need it are letting it pile up in the bank.

This is not the safety-net the welfare state was created for.

It beggars belief that so many are saying, yeah, you’re entitled so go for it but I’m sure would be raising eyebrows at the ‘feckless’ and genuinely impoverished disabled people who actually need it.

Read my comment above
You have no idea
Have you had your 6 year old try to kill himself
Have you watched your child excluded from activities but still forced to watch the video

You have no idea
No wages can compensate

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 03:19

@llizzie I know, I completed it for my son 18 years ago
I would give back every penny to have kept him in our local mainstream school
To not put him in a taxi
To not have been abused, hit and harassed by other parents
To not have my other 2 boys demonised and not invited to things (both absolutely beautifully behaved)

BTW he's 23 now
And just got a first
The system helped us
I could earn a million pounds, he needed the support he got

ConstantlyFuriosa · 26/07/2024 03:15

PIP/DLA absolutely should be means tested so no, you shouldn’t be claiming it as you clearly don’t need it. The whole reason this particular benefit is in a state is because it isn’t means tested and those who are genuinely in need of it are seen as scroungers while others who don’t actually need it are letting it pile up in the bank.

This is not the safety-net the welfare state was created for.

It beggars belief that so many are saying, yeah, you’re entitled so go for it but I’m sure would be raising eyebrows at the ‘feckless’ and genuinely impoverished disabled people who actually need it.

BettyBardMacDonald · 26/07/2024 03:03

Nappyvalley15 · 24/07/2024 16:27

Doesn't sit right with me. Unless the extra costs are really excessive I think you should cover them yourself with that level of income.

Why? They pay a shitload of taxes that benefit other people. Why shouldn't they get something in return, for once?!

llizzie · 26/07/2024 03:02

Pyewacketty · 26/07/2024 00:38

It should also be noted that a significant amount of non means tested disability benefits are paid to pensioners who have age related medical conditions. Whether that is morally right, especially in the case of wealthy pensioners who are already getting the state pension and other age related welfare payments, I simply don’t know. Depends on your definition of disability I suppose. In an ideal world it wouldn’t even be a debate, the community should support anyone who is vulnerable, in whatever form that takes.

This reminds me of the programmes on the radio when people are able to phone in with comments. One woman phoned up and said the state pension should not be raised, because the old people would waste it on unnecessaries like holidays.

She went on to comment that pensioners have bought all the things they need, so don't have to buy furniture and carpets, so they have more money to spend on getting help.

and after all, they can claim credits, have free meds, dental and eye treatment, collected for appointments and are entitled to free of anything once they apply for pension credit and also are entitled to AA.

That is impossible to live on.

llizzie · 26/07/2024 02:50

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 02:29

Have you any idea how difficult it is to get PIP/ DLA
Have you any comprehension of how much tax these parents are paying to fund our welfare state

Get every penny your child is entitled to OP

I don't think some of these posters do. If mothers see the SAT exam papers they will know the size of the 'application form' is about ten times that size.

You get a big book with an unbelievable amount of questions and the award is determined by how many ticks you make. I think these forms are possibly 'marked' by the lowest civil servants.

Every question has a whole week of answers to see how much help claimants need. (How long is a piece of string?). Some of the questions have boxes to tick for every different need every week.

It is a nightmare, and you also have to get letters from surgeries and all hospital workers you need. How on earth would it be possible for someone to claim if they were not disabled? Who would fill in the 'book' and approach hospitals ad surgery if they didn't need it? Would you?

llizzie · 26/07/2024 02:40

Puravida23 · 24/07/2024 16:40

Dosent sit comfortably with me. The benefits system exists to support those in need who cannot support themselves. This is not the case here. Ultimately there are only so many funds available the government dosent have an unlimited money tree.
If people not in need start claiming this may ultimately result in cuts in benefits for those who need it. I would see it as my social duty not to claim for benefits I don’t need but ultimately it is your choice you are within your right to claim if you wish, plenty of people do

I cannot understand your attitude. I have had DLA for many years and mine is still called DNA for that reason. The benefit is NOT means tested.

The two allowances - pension/family credit and DLA/PIP are completely different. You get disability benefit because you need it. If you are already on pension credit and are disabled, you can get DLA/PIP.

To suggest someone should not claim it if they have higher than most income is ridiculous. In the case of children and young adults, the benefits are suppose to give the disabled family member money to pay for anything to do with disability, AND THAT includes not spending too much of the family benefit at the expense of the fitter members. A disabled child needs a lot of help, and help is costly, especially more so when the wages of cleaners, carers etc rises annually. A disabled child also needs to associate outside the family.

If you don't claim it, then the other children in families will go without.

I wonder how many posters on here realise the significance of disability benefit, how costly it is to be disabled. I suppose a millionaire or billionaire would not claim it, but they can. Fortunes are made and lost all the time.

BlueFlowers5 · 26/07/2024 02:37

It's for your DD who is still a child. Claim it.

bittertwisted · 26/07/2024 02:29

Have you any idea how difficult it is to get PIP/ DLA
Have you any comprehension of how much tax these parents are paying to fund our welfare state

Get every penny your child is entitled to OP

llizzie · 26/07/2024 02:22

x2boys · 26/07/2024 00:54

I don't know either however my mum is 82 and severely disabled my parents have plenty of money but I advised my dad to claim attendance allowance which she now gets ,my mum can't walk at all and rely, s on my dad for everything ( frustratingly they don't allow me or my sister to help very much) but I don't think we can discriminate on age if you are disabled, you are disabled at 2 or 82

Your mother should claim attendance allowance and she is entitled to it.

Every time I read or see on TV news about elderly people blocking beds because they cannot access domiciliary care for patients, I think about the Attendance Allowance and wonder why ward clerks do not help the patient to apply for the benefit. I don't know how much money the AA brings in, but it should be enough to pay for a private carer at least a large part of the week?