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Life insurance/death benefits

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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:14

I kind of am being unreasonable, because I know this is coming from a position of privilege. I suppose my question is, in my position am I unreasonable to be annoyed at my partners attitude to this/worried about the future.

Also apologies for the length. I just need to rant.

We both have life insurance and pensions, but if one of us died we'd leave the other in very different financial positions.

If I died I'd be leaving him:
Decreasing life cover of £400k (mortgage +£150k)
Death in service benefit of approx £180k (at this time)
Pension payments (variable depending on if I died now or in 10 years etc)
Bereavement support payment (assuming what I've read is correct) of £3.5k one off plus £350/month for 18 months
+variable amount of pension cover for the kids

If he died he'd he leaving me:
Life cover of £260k - not decreasing, so currently would clear the mortgage + £10k, so as our equity increases more would be left after clearing the mortgage
Pension payments - unknown, as he's not organised enough to tell me anything, but I know his pension pot is currently worth considerably less than mine.
Bereavement support payment (assuming what I've read is correct) of £3.5k one off plus £350/month for 18 months

Context:

We both work full time earning a similar wage. Clearing the mortgage would still mean we are short each month if on one salary (I've taken into account reduced bills etc), by approx £200/month on our current lifestyle.

I do the majority of childcare pickups around work (kids in school/childcare during work hours), he would struggle to continue his current job as its not as flexible and would likely have to quit and find something more flexible/closer to home.

He will likely inherit from his parents (hopefully they live long lives, but I think they're still in a position to make sure he's taken care of). I will likely not inherit - unless there is a big change in my families fortunes.

Basically, I've made sure I'll leave him in a position where he could afford to live well, take a year or two off to support the kids.

I will be OK financially for around 18 months with the help of the bereavement support payment. I will have to continue to work full time and wouldn't be able to take any time off to support the kids. I would likely have to find a way to increase my salary within two years, or face a decrease in our standard of living.

I have tried multiple times to discuss this with him. Usually when he makes some joke about being dead before he's 50 as he's so unhealthy - healthy weight currently but his diet is appalling and doesn't have a great family history with health issues. He just says I'll be fine as I won't have a mortgage. I explain its not just about the mortgage, I wouldn't be able to cover all other expenses on one income and he still insists I'd be fine.

I'd adjust yes, I'm fortunate that we'd have the house and arguably it would be less upheaval for the kids despite having to make changes/cut back to minimum (no clubs, swimming, careful food budget etc). Imagine if he died now and I'd still have to be packing the kids off to breakfast/after school club because I couldn't afford to take time off work to support them! He's in a position to change this but won't.

Thank you if you got this far. Didn't want to leave anything out. AIBU to be annoyed at his attitude to this?

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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:33

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 24/07/2024 13:28

he would struggle to continue his current job as its not as flexible and would likely have to quit and find something more flexible/closer to home.
I think you might be surprised at how much he is actually able to do when there is no option for work not to be flexible enough to do any parenting.

he still insists I'd be fine.
he doesnt see the kids extra curriculars as a priority or a need and isnt bothered whether you'd be comfortable when he is dead. Because he is dead.

Me and DH have had similar conversations. I ^joke* that if I die he already has my life insurances and death in service spent in his head. He just smiles.

Edited

I believe you're correct on the first point.
This is a separate argument 😆

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TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 24/07/2024 13:31

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:30

Life insurance payments come out of the joint account, and we could afford to increase this - but when he spoke to the life insurance people recently he was looking to see if he could reduce monthly payments due to quitting smoking, and wouldn't ask to increase the cover as he doesn't think it's necessary.

Because he wont benefit.

try suggesting you cut back by not paying yours, as your death in service should be enough…

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:30

JLM1981 · 24/07/2024 13:23

I have never thought about this in great detail. But I would be in a similar position.

Do you have separate finances? We pay ours jointly. Have you looked into the cost for increasing his? Is he not happy to increase it? Maybe offer to cover the cost for your own piece of mind (if affordable).

Life insurance payments come out of the joint account, and we could afford to increase this - but when he spoke to the life insurance people recently he was looking to see if he could reduce monthly payments due to quitting smoking, and wouldn't ask to increase the cover as he doesn't think it's necessary.

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TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 24/07/2024 13:28

he would struggle to continue his current job as its not as flexible and would likely have to quit and find something more flexible/closer to home.
I think you might be surprised at how much he is actually able to do when there is no option for work not to be flexible enough to do any parenting.

he still insists I'd be fine.
he doesnt see the kids extra curriculars as a priority or a need and isnt bothered whether you'd be comfortable when he is dead. Because he is dead.

Me and DH have had similar conversations. I ^joke* that if I die he already has my life insurances and death in service spent in his head. He just smiles.

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:28

MumofSpud · 24/07/2024 13:18

Why does he have no Death in Service?

Because his employer is a bit shit and does the bare minimum legally.

He won't change job though. I specifically made a move to my employer for the pension and benefits.

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GravitasShortfall · 24/07/2024 13:26

MumofSpud · 24/07/2024 13:18

Why does he have no Death in Service?

Not all jobs offer this. I’m NHS and DP would get a chunk if I died in service, but if he died his small family run company wouldn’t give me anything (which we understand and have planned for).

Same position here OP but with no kids just us. He would be better off than me. I’m ok with that as I can cut my cloth accordingly and my job is secure (his isn’t, he’d possibly get let go if he needed significant leave and he only gets statutory sick pay). If it bothers you, then you might need to look at options together and see what could bridge that gap.

JLM1981 · 24/07/2024 13:23

I have never thought about this in great detail. But I would be in a similar position.

Do you have separate finances? We pay ours jointly. Have you looked into the cost for increasing his? Is he not happy to increase it? Maybe offer to cover the cost for your own piece of mind (if affordable).

MumofSpud · 24/07/2024 13:18

Why does he have no Death in Service?

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:18

Just to add - writing this our has made me realise that I've made decisions with solely the kids in mind. I want to make sure they're OK as the upheaval to their lives would be awful.

He's made decisions that he thinks will benefit me and make sure I'm OK, I don't think he's considered the kids at all.

He's probably a better husband than I am a wife as I haven't really thought of him at all. But as a father, why won't be just listen and make better decisions!!

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