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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:14

I kind of am being unreasonable, because I know this is coming from a position of privilege. I suppose my question is, in my position am I unreasonable to be annoyed at my partners attitude to this/worried about the future.

Also apologies for the length. I just need to rant.

We both have life insurance and pensions, but if one of us died we'd leave the other in very different financial positions.

If I died I'd be leaving him:
Decreasing life cover of £400k (mortgage +£150k)
Death in service benefit of approx £180k (at this time)
Pension payments (variable depending on if I died now or in 10 years etc)
Bereavement support payment (assuming what I've read is correct) of £3.5k one off plus £350/month for 18 months
+variable amount of pension cover for the kids

If he died he'd he leaving me:
Life cover of £260k - not decreasing, so currently would clear the mortgage + £10k, so as our equity increases more would be left after clearing the mortgage
Pension payments - unknown, as he's not organised enough to tell me anything, but I know his pension pot is currently worth considerably less than mine.
Bereavement support payment (assuming what I've read is correct) of £3.5k one off plus £350/month for 18 months

Context:

We both work full time earning a similar wage. Clearing the mortgage would still mean we are short each month if on one salary (I've taken into account reduced bills etc), by approx £200/month on our current lifestyle.

I do the majority of childcare pickups around work (kids in school/childcare during work hours), he would struggle to continue his current job as its not as flexible and would likely have to quit and find something more flexible/closer to home.

He will likely inherit from his parents (hopefully they live long lives, but I think they're still in a position to make sure he's taken care of). I will likely not inherit - unless there is a big change in my families fortunes.

Basically, I've made sure I'll leave him in a position where he could afford to live well, take a year or two off to support the kids.

I will be OK financially for around 18 months with the help of the bereavement support payment. I will have to continue to work full time and wouldn't be able to take any time off to support the kids. I would likely have to find a way to increase my salary within two years, or face a decrease in our standard of living.

I have tried multiple times to discuss this with him. Usually when he makes some joke about being dead before he's 50 as he's so unhealthy - healthy weight currently but his diet is appalling and doesn't have a great family history with health issues. He just says I'll be fine as I won't have a mortgage. I explain its not just about the mortgage, I wouldn't be able to cover all other expenses on one income and he still insists I'd be fine.

I'd adjust yes, I'm fortunate that we'd have the house and arguably it would be less upheaval for the kids despite having to make changes/cut back to minimum (no clubs, swimming, careful food budget etc). Imagine if he died now and I'd still have to be packing the kids off to breakfast/after school club because I couldn't afford to take time off work to support them! He's in a position to change this but won't.

Thank you if you got this far. Didn't want to leave anything out. AIBU to be annoyed at his attitude to this?

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FacingTheWall · 25/07/2024 12:44

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:38

I'm going to change the death in service benefit to go straight to the kids 😆

With this attitude he'd probably cancel his own life insurance once the mortgage is paid off.

Now that my dc are older teens this is exactly what I’ve done. We have enough life insurance that the last part of the mortgage would be paid, and he’d get my pension but the death in service benefit would go to my very-almost adult children. He wouldn’t need it. I’d be happy for him to do the same but he doesn’t have the same benefits.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/07/2024 12:28

ISeriouslyDoubtIt I'm sorry for your and your DC loss and I'm glad you had financial security.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 24/07/2024 18:17

He's being very unreasonable.
When my late husband and I had children, we made sure, through death in service, life insurance, pensions etc that if one of us died the other one would have enough income to be able to live mortgage-free and not to have to work at all until the youngest was 18 years old.
Our view was that if children had to go through that kind of bereavement their remaining parent should be around for them as much as possible and shouldn't need to be worried about living costs, juggling work as a single parent with small children etc.
Like most people we never thought it would happen, but sadly it did. My husband died leaving me a widow with 2 children under 5, who are now adults. I've always been so relieved that we had the foresight to plan and that despite all the appalling times, money worries didn't come into it.

MumofSpud · 24/07/2024 18:03

My DH died 18 months ago and I guess I was 'lucky' in that the life insurance / death in service was all ok
But it is amazing how many of us don't have up to date wills / arrangements re: DC / pets etc
I did take out 2 new life insurance policies as ours was a joint one so ended but it will be enough to cover funeral expenses and a couple of holidays (for the DC)

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 17:47

LottieMary · 24/07/2024 17:37

He'd have real problems being an adult if I did go first.
I think we’re in similar financial positions and this totally resonates too!! I sometimes think I simply can’t die because they’d be a bit stuck frankly.

have you got plans for dc in terms of uni support etc? Is that a way to make him think again that ok he’d be fine day to day but their long term future would be financially negatively affected? Is he simply (like so many including my dh) unwilling to think about his own death - which is understandable but you could sell as a set and forget policy once you’ve both agreed what works. He might also see it as wasted money and be thinking about the alternative; does he question house and car insurance?

He's actually always worried about money, and would never think about not having car or home insurance. Which makes it even more frustrating.

He stresses about money but also doesn't pay attention to the family finances.

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LottieMary · 24/07/2024 17:37

He'd have real problems being an adult if I did go first.
I think we’re in similar financial positions and this totally resonates too!! I sometimes think I simply can’t die because they’d be a bit stuck frankly.

have you got plans for dc in terms of uni support etc? Is that a way to make him think again that ok he’d be fine day to day but their long term future would be financially negatively affected? Is he simply (like so many including my dh) unwilling to think about his own death - which is understandable but you could sell as a set and forget policy once you’ve both agreed what works. He might also see it as wasted money and be thinking about the alternative; does he question house and car insurance?

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 24/07/2024 17:17

Lowerechelons · 24/07/2024 17:04

You can insure his life, if you want to.

And then remind him of that frequently. Call him Trevor occasionally too.

Lowerechelons · 24/07/2024 17:04

You can insure his life, if you want to.

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 16:59

Boomer55 · 24/07/2024 16:54

I lost my DH last year, and, of course, the money coming in drops. But, as long as you have enough to live on, that’s all it needs to be.🤷‍♀️

Sorry for your loss. I know I'm lucky to have him, and I know we'd have enough to live on. I'm just frustrated at his attitude.

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Boomer55 · 24/07/2024 16:54

I lost my DH last year, and, of course, the money coming in drops. But, as long as you have enough to live on, that’s all it needs to be.🤷‍♀️

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 16:48

It's also not even that he hasn't put sufficient provision in place to make sure we'd be financially secure. It's his attitude towards it when I asked him to amend the amount - like I was being ridiculous because I won't have a mortgage or sky sports bill.

His wage is more than the combined total of the mortgage + sky sports! Obviously there would be a shortfall and he won't consider making sure there isn't.

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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 16:41

ChirpyBee · 24/07/2024 16:22

You sound highly strung. I assume your mortgage is by far your highest bill - once this is gone you'd surely have lots more money freed up? This would be more than wiped out by the loss of a wage, but still a significant monthly saving.

It's not realistic to expect to live the same lifestyle if one of you died - of course you'd have less money. I'm sure you'd still have enough money to get by with a decent standard of living. Do your children go to a private school? This is the only big bill I can think of that could possibly wipe out a whole wage.

No private school.
Our budget includes savings etc - so basically if he died I'd have to drop some savings (holiday or Christmas etc) or make other changes to lifestyle.

If you add up all of your bills - council tax, utilities, broadband, insurances, water, childcare, clubs, food, commute, petrol etc - does this not come to more than your mortgage?

I could do all this on one wage, easily. But I'd have a limited amount left over for savings and spending - I'd have to make sacrifices compared to our current standard of living. And I'd definitely still have to work full time while supporting two bereaved children.

What I'm saying is I've made sure I won't leave him in that dilemma. He can choose take time out of work if the kids need it. He wouldn't have to sacrifice an annual holiday or his own personal spending money to make sure all the bills could be paid. In fact, he'd have a much more comfortable financially than he is now. And I want that for them if they were without me. I'd want him to be able to fund university, take nice holidays, give them money for a deposit. Because I wouldn't be here to do these things for them.

He won't do the same, despite being able to afford to.

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ChirpyBee · 24/07/2024 16:22

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:54

On our current lifestyle. Keeping savings for Christmas presents, holiday (UK), car running costs (own outright), and basic bills. And some spending money.

The cost of living has risen a lot, not sure if you noticed - the mortgage is just one payment.

Of course we could 'afford' it on one income with no mortgage, but we would have to change our living standards - that's not exactly fair on the kids considering they would have just lost their father. Sorry your Dad's dead and Father Christmas isn't dropping by this year.

You sound highly strung. I assume your mortgage is by far your highest bill - once this is gone you'd surely have lots more money freed up? This would be more than wiped out by the loss of a wage, but still a significant monthly saving.

It's not realistic to expect to live the same lifestyle if one of you died - of course you'd have less money. I'm sure you'd still have enough money to get by with a decent standard of living. Do your children go to a private school? This is the only big bill I can think of that could possibly wipe out a whole wage.

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 14:05

Tumbler2121 · 24/07/2024 14:02

So you take out lots of life insurance on him ... job done.

I'm organised enough to know how much money we'd need to live on, but not enough to know you can insure someone else!
Thank you - I'll add this to my to do list.
He'd have real problems being an adult if I did go first.

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Tumbler2121 · 24/07/2024 14:02

So you take out lots of life insurance on him ... job done.

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:59

Grillyy · 24/07/2024 13:44

You are being ridiculous in my opinion. Your cover is decreasing, his isn't. So there's probably going to come a time when yours is shit and his is way better because its not decreasing. Not all jobs have death in service benefits, and you can't force someone into a job that does have this benefit.

Mine is decreasing but would still clear the mortgage plus £150k on top.

I can't force him to change job - and I've never asked him to. What I'm asking is as he doesn't have these benefits then can he increase his life insurance cover to make sure me and the kids are well supported financially.

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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:57

dcsp · 24/07/2024 13:38

I think YABU to be annoyed at him. Most people avoid thinking about this kind of stuff. They shouldn't but they do, so it's not fair to be annoyed at him for doing what most people do.

In terms of whether he'd leave you with problems if he died, it depends on a couple of things

  • Would continuing to work full-time be easy enough to do as a widow? This'll depend on your children's ages, whether they've any issues which make childcare more challenging, whether you've free childcare available from grandparents, etc, etc
  • When you talk about having to cut £200/month spending from current lifestyle, is that easy enough to do? Some families could easily spend £200/month less without even really noticing, others there isn't really any fat to trim.
  • What his pension pot is. Doesn't he get an annual statement?

Yeah, I could actually cut £200 easy enough. The figure includes savings for Christmas/holidays etc. I am being a bit ridiculous. I'm just annoyed that I'm giving him options and a good sum and he's like 'well you won't have sky sports to pay for so you'll be fine'.

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ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:54

ChirpyBee · 24/07/2024 13:38

How can you possibly not be able to afford your bills on one income if you had no mortgage? You sound over extended.

On our current lifestyle. Keeping savings for Christmas presents, holiday (UK), car running costs (own outright), and basic bills. And some spending money.

The cost of living has risen a lot, not sure if you noticed - the mortgage is just one payment.

Of course we could 'afford' it on one income with no mortgage, but we would have to change our living standards - that's not exactly fair on the kids considering they would have just lost their father. Sorry your Dad's dead and Father Christmas isn't dropping by this year.

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Apileofballyhoo · 24/07/2024 13:49

Could you decrease your payments and put that money into an investment fund you have if he dies? He also gets it if you die, so you're both covered.

Grillyy · 24/07/2024 13:44

You are being ridiculous in my opinion. Your cover is decreasing, his isn't. So there's probably going to come a time when yours is shit and his is way better because its not decreasing. Not all jobs have death in service benefits, and you can't force someone into a job that does have this benefit.

BarcardiWithGadaffia · 24/07/2024 13:39

MumofSpud · 24/07/2024 13:18

Why does he have no Death in Service?

Not all employers offer this, I've worked in places that do and places that dont, it not a universal benefit by any means

dcsp · 24/07/2024 13:38

I think YABU to be annoyed at him. Most people avoid thinking about this kind of stuff. They shouldn't but they do, so it's not fair to be annoyed at him for doing what most people do.

In terms of whether he'd leave you with problems if he died, it depends on a couple of things

  • Would continuing to work full-time be easy enough to do as a widow? This'll depend on your children's ages, whether they've any issues which make childcare more challenging, whether you've free childcare available from grandparents, etc, etc
  • When you talk about having to cut £200/month spending from current lifestyle, is that easy enough to do? Some families could easily spend £200/month less without even really noticing, others there isn't really any fat to trim.
  • What his pension pot is. Doesn't he get an annual statement?
ChirpyBee · 24/07/2024 13:38

How can you possibly not be able to afford your bills on one income if you had no mortgage? You sound over extended.

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:38

I'm going to change the death in service benefit to go straight to the kids 😆

With this attitude he'd probably cancel his own life insurance once the mortgage is paid off.

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JLM1981 · 24/07/2024 13:35

ChandlersMum · 24/07/2024 13:30

Life insurance payments come out of the joint account, and we could afford to increase this - but when he spoke to the life insurance people recently he was looking to see if he could reduce monthly payments due to quitting smoking, and wouldn't ask to increase the cover as he doesn't think it's necessary.

Ah ok. So a conversation needs to be had again if it genuinely worries you. We had to increase ours by I think 30k recently as we extended the house and mortgage and it was an extra £14 a month to cover this-so perhaps get a quote then take it from there. It may not be too expensive then he may be more willing. Good luck 🤞

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