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Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

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SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

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Bromptotoo · 25/07/2024 12:47

The reason I'm not happy about taking a Daily Mail link as the truth, the whole truth etc is that long experience tells me it delights in 'making' scandal where one may not exist. It particularly likes doing that where the scandal can be portrayed as a failing by 'the authorities'.

It also plays fast/loose with facts.

A prime example of that was around ten years ago where a section of road accessing a development in Bedfordshire that had a 'No Motor Vehicle Except Buses' restriction was changed to a bus lane. The intention was that the drivers disregarding the restriction could be caught on camera and fined.

Unless you though there was more than met the eye and used Streetview you'd have thought all the people pictured with Penalties and wearing 'compo faces' were properly caught out by something dropped out of a clear sky onto an unrestricted road.

If you Google the girls name you can find a bit more about the case including the fact that the inquest was adjourned last year for the Police to make further inquiries into the Brother's account.

I'm not saying he is not a baddun.. However, unless the Prosecution can get a jury to be so certain they are sure that (a) he actually deliberately punched her and that (b) there was a causal link between the punch and the girl's death then the jury will not be convinced and he'll be acquitted.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 09:40

Yesterday the inquest heard evidence from the brother's girlfriend and two doctors.

The girlfriend's evidence was that she doesn't believe the brother actually punched Falaq. She didn't use the word as far as I can see, but she was suggesting that he was catastrophising when he texted her. I would expect the defence to take this line if he was prosecuted on the basis of the text messages. There are cases where we know this has happened - A has collapsed, B thinks they caused the collapse and says they punched or hit A, when hard evidence has been available showing that any contact was minimal. I'm not saying that is what happened in this case, but that is what I would expect the defence to say.

The more interesting evidence in my view came from two doctors. It seems Falaq had an arteriovenous malformation (AVM) in her brain (note that the Daily Mail gets the term wrong and talks about an abnormal venous malformation). An AVM is a tangle of blood vessels with irregular connections between arteries and veins. An AVM in the brain is rare, particularly in females, but Falaq had one in her cerebellum (the bottom of the back of her brain). An AVM puts a lot of pressure on the walls of the arteries and veins affected. This causes the walls to become thin and weak, and may lead to the walls rupturing spontaneously, causing bleeding in the brain. There is anecdotal evidence suggesting that physical trauma (e.g. being hit) can cause an AVM to bleed, but there is no scientifically proven link. If the brother was prosecuted for manslaughter, I would expect any medical experts to say that, whilst it is possible that a punch or slap from him could have caused the bleed, it is at least equally likely that the bleed happened entirely on its own and was not caused by anything the brother did.

The other point of note is that neither of the doctors questioned yesterday appears to have been aware at the time of death that there had been any physical trauma. This strongly suggests that her brother did not cause any physical injury - no bruises or broken skin, far less any broken bones.

On the medical evidence presented yesterday, I am not surprised that the CPS have not charged the brother with causing his sister's death. And I strongly disagree with the previous poster. If it is clear that there is insufficient evidence to support a prosecution, it would be quite wrong of the CPS to keep the brother and the family hanging on until after the inquest before making a charging decision just because some people who haven't seen all the evidence (or don't want to accept the evidence) think they should.

I would not expect the brother to be charged with child abuse based on a single text message exchange as that is unlikely to be sufficient to get a conviction. Even if there was enough evidence to prosecute him for this offence, unless it was more serious than appears from the medical evidence so far, he would be facing a community sentence if convicted.

I would temper all of the above by saying we are only halfway through the inquest. There are still two more days of hearings. It may be that information will emerge that will change things. Indeed, it may be that information will emerge that will lead to the CPS reviewing its decision not to charge the brother. But the evidence so far suggests this was a perfectly normal charging decision by the CPS, not the scandal the Daily Mail clearly wants it to be.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/07/2024 08:53

I agree, we need to know what the results of the inquest are and if that has any impact on the decision by the CPS not to prosecute

So do I, but then that's why I'd rather their decision had been left until after the inquest in the first place

I realise of course that the CPS will already have had most of the evidence, but rightly or wrongly it can look to some like "We won't prosecute unless we're forced to", and the sensitivities of Mohammed's community aren't the only ones which matter

DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 08:32

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'People like you'? Is that meant to be a mike drop moment?
Actually, if you use comprehension and remove your defensive stance, you'll see my issue was your phraseology of telling people who mentioned the grooming gangs that they were 'bleating on' which as I've already posted, indicates you think that anyone who mentions this is whining, and from your 🥱 response, that you find it boring. Which is appalling in my opinion given what occurred.

diktat · 25/07/2024 07:36

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 07:31

To bleat on about something means ' to speak or complain in an annoying way whine.'
Are you saying people who mention grooming gangs are annoying whiners for doing so?

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 05:08

@diktat your deleted 🥱 is still visible.
I'll really struggle to listen to your viewpoint given you've made it clear your opinion re the grooming gangs.

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 04:45

'bleat' on about grooming gangs.
'Bleat on'?! Seriously?! Oh is it annoying and boring to you when people mention the grooming gangs? Do you wish they'd stop and just forget about them?

DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 04:45

'bleat' on about grooming gangs.
'Bleat on'?! Seriously?! Oh is it annoying and boring to you when people mention the grooming gangs? Do you wish they'd stop and just forget about them?

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mirax · 25/07/2024 03:17

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 14:31

Huh what’s that got to do with this?

He WAS charged and prosecuted (way too leniently IMO but that’s a systemic problem not a Dutch national problem).

And the decision for him to qualify for olympics is not a U.K. decision!

It seems it is irrelevant and wacist shitstirring to mentiona the grooming gangs when this is a case that originates from the same community and town (Rochdale) as the grooming gangs and speaks to a contempt for females but it is entirely alright to bring in a Dutch pedophile and "white" or christian culture. Special and not special at the same time. Diktat is a fitting name for someone who wants to dictate such rigid parameters of discussion and accuse others of agendas.

TemuSpecialBuy · 25/07/2024 02:36

mommatoone · 25/07/2024 01:54

Lovely post of this scumbag on the DM today laughing outside coroners court. Not a fuckin care in the world.
Meanwhile, in the same town hundreds of men are protesting outside the police station about the treatment of an individual who broke a police officers nose today.
Where is the protest /outrage for this little girl?. Why arent people taking to the streets demanding answers? Nothing, absolutely nothing. This country is fucked.

Here is the 23 old “man” Suhail Mohammed, who is responsible for Falaq’s death, having a smile and a laugh outside Rochdale Coroners Court.

Words fail me.

Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it
mommatoone · 25/07/2024 01:54

Lovely post of this scumbag on the DM today laughing outside coroners court. Not a fuckin care in the world.
Meanwhile, in the same town hundreds of men are protesting outside the police station about the treatment of an individual who broke a police officers nose today.
Where is the protest /outrage for this little girl?. Why arent people taking to the streets demanding answers? Nothing, absolutely nothing. This country is fucked.

Callmemel · 25/07/2024 01:54

HelenaWaiting · 24/07/2024 04:17

Yvette Cooper.

Is the Home Secretary, yes.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 00:08

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:20

@prh47bridge Do you think he should be charged with assault/gbh for punching her in the head?

If there is enough evidence to have a realistic prospect of conviction, yes, he should be charged with cruelty to a child. However, if the only evidence is his text message, that is unlikely to be enough to convict him.

EsmaCannonball · 24/07/2024 22:29

I'm reminded that the police sometimes refer to the CPS as Couldn't Prosecute Satan.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:20

@prh47bridge Do you think he should be charged with assault/gbh for punching her in the head?

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 22:15

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

I am not dressing it up at all. I am sticking with the facts. The CPS say he is not being charged because of the medical evidence. We should know when the inquest is over, but that almost certainly means that the medical evidence shows that her death may be unconnected to what he did.

It does sometimes happen that A hits B and B dies, but the reason B died was unconnected with A hitting them. If that is what happened here, he did not kill her, no matter what way you dress it up.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:13

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

The fact someone has the gall to write 'manslaughter at worst' Falaq is DEAD and the concern is for the poor brother and what he could get charged with!

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:11

Thank you for the correction....
Well I absolutely hope the coroner is investigating why a young girl, for absolutely no reason at all, and absolutely not due to the fault of anyone at all, died what presents as a violent incident.. but don't worry @prh47bridge hopefully they'll steer well away from looking at her brother who smashed the bathroom door in and destroyed the bathroom...poor lamb that he is.

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 15:07

To repeat, we don't know that he is a killer. We do know that the authorities regard what happened as manslaughter at worst, not murder. If the medical evidence does not show that the punch caused his sister's death, he is not a killer.

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 21:46

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 19:04

Whys he not even being arrested for assault/child abuse?

I presume you mean charged. He has been arrested, but he hasn't been charged with anything.

As far as I can see, the only evidence he hit her is a text message he sent to his girlfriend. If the court were to decide that is inadmissible, there would be no evidence at all. Even if it is admitted, the court may well rule that it is not enough on its own to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did indeed punch her.

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