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Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

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SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

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Savemydrink · 26/07/2024 00:43

So, I was just thinking, if the younger siblings were interviewed by police, I'm assuming one of the parents would be present at the interview. Now imagine they said they witnessed their brother punch their sister, who then collapsed and died.

Now the younger kids have to go home with these "parents" who will probably blame the kids for "ratting" on their older brother.

See the problem here, not only are the parents angry but so is the brother. Now, who will protect those kids from this awful family.

As we saw in Leeds last week, removing kids from a dangerous environment is. not so simple. Poor dead girl can't be helped, the traumatised younger kids can't be helped and the cycle continues.

Massive cultural problems here, much easier to say "oh well" let's leave it at that.

Just like they did with the grooming gangs

biscuitandcake · 26/07/2024 00:17

eg

Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it
biscuitandcake · 26/07/2024 00:15

Bromptotoo · 25/07/2024 12:47

The reason I'm not happy about taking a Daily Mail link as the truth, the whole truth etc is that long experience tells me it delights in 'making' scandal where one may not exist. It particularly likes doing that where the scandal can be portrayed as a failing by 'the authorities'.

It also plays fast/loose with facts.

A prime example of that was around ten years ago where a section of road accessing a development in Bedfordshire that had a 'No Motor Vehicle Except Buses' restriction was changed to a bus lane. The intention was that the drivers disregarding the restriction could be caught on camera and fined.

Unless you though there was more than met the eye and used Streetview you'd have thought all the people pictured with Penalties and wearing 'compo faces' were properly caught out by something dropped out of a clear sky onto an unrestricted road.

If you Google the girls name you can find a bit more about the case including the fact that the inquest was adjourned last year for the Police to make further inquiries into the Brother's account.

I'm not saying he is not a baddun.. However, unless the Prosecution can get a jury to be so certain they are sure that (a) he actually deliberately punched her and that (b) there was a causal link between the punch and the girl's death then the jury will not be convinced and he'll be acquitted.

Edited

I agree sometimes the Daily Mail can be quite destructive. It does love a scandal/salacious headline. But somethings are scandals, and should provoke public outrage. Just because its in the Daily Mail doesn't mean its not outrageous.

BlueFlowers5 · 25/07/2024 22:43

Violence against women and girls is completely unchallenged.

Brighteyes2368 · 25/07/2024 21:52

Chester23 · 24/07/2024 07:15

This makes no sense to me. Why would it matter if they think there was a medical condition?

Where I live someone hit someone. He ended up in hospital and he had a known medical condition. They guy that hit him admitted to hitting him. Unfortunately this guy passed away in hospital. The charge was changed to manslaughter and he's in prison.

Is this not the same situation but it's a child?

It's likely strikingly similar, except extremist Muslims tend to get away with things like this. Extremist Muslim girls and women get murdered, usually after being raped, and usually nobody gets charged. It's a sad world we live in.

Brighteyes2368 · 25/07/2024 21:30

SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

I hate to say it, but it's likely he was trying to do something sexual to her, she fought it, and THEN he punched her. The parents may have even encouraged an inappropriate relationship. It would explain why the parents refuse to let the younger siblings be interviewed.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 21:12

Dibbydoos · 25/07/2024 19:38

He assaulted his 11 yo sister. She then died. He should be done. CPS are wrong.

Asian men cant continue to go about abusing females. It has to end esp given what has happened in Rochdale in the past...

On the evidence presented so far to the inquest, the CPS is right. See my post at 09:40 that sets out the evidence presented yesterday.

askmenow · 25/07/2024 20:55

Naddd · 24/07/2024 11:33

No they are not.

Take your Islamophobia elsewhere.

Judging a religion by the actions of one man!

When a girl is born she opens a door to Heaven for her father.
When she marries she completes half her husbands religion.
When she becomes a mother heaven lies at her feet.

That is the status of females in Islam

RUBBISH! Islamic culture subjugates women. They are always "lesser than" their brothers.
Midwifery on the district provides ample evidence.

hattie43 · 25/07/2024 20:54

I've just finished watching Honour on Netflix and find this story heartbreaking, poor little girl . Something has to be done .

askmenow · 25/07/2024 20:42

BlackShuck3 · 24/07/2024 00:02

The males of the family closing ranks and covering each others backs. They want to make sure they can carry on treating women girls like rubbish so that they can never be a threat to male dominance.
How can this stand up? Dont we have laws in our country, arent we supposed to be civilised. Why do we tolerate this primitive tribal mindset?

Hear hear 👏👏👏 Women need to WAKE UP at the undercurrent threats present now and the future ahead for us.

Mexicansky · 25/07/2024 19:55

I find this worrying. You are all making decisions on a prosecution after reading an article in the daily Mail. Do you think the media always get it right and report the full facts?
do you not think the CPS might have had access to a full file of evidence and more than the daily mail print?

it’s amazing how quick people are to condemn decisions made when they have no idea what the evidence is.

biscuitandcake · 25/07/2024 19:38

I appreciate they are different cases, but Lucy Letby's private diary entries where she wrote both that she killed the babies, and that she didn't were considered evidence - and weren't dismissed as likely just the catastrophising of a distressed person.
But the brother's text message to another person, in which he not only said it was his fault but outlined precisely how and why (I punched her) aren't enough evidence because they could just be catastrophising.

Dibbydoos · 25/07/2024 19:38

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/07/2024 22:32

Seems the CPS were doubtful there was any chance of any sort of conviction, which renders charging him with anything a bit pointless.

He assaulted his 11 yo sister. She then died. He should be done. CPS are wrong.

Asian men cant continue to go about abusing females. It has to end esp given what has happened in Rochdale in the past...

Biancobianca · 25/07/2024 19:36

Surely social services are involved. Deeply disturbing.

VickyPollard25 · 25/07/2024 19:30

TemuSpecialBuy · 25/07/2024 02:36

Here is the 23 old “man” Suhail Mohammed, who is responsible for Falaq’s death, having a smile and a laugh outside Rochdale Coroners Court.

Words fail me.

This is why we see vigilantes. When there is absolute injustice and child murderers laugh in the street.

Clearly to him this girl was disposable. His own sister.

VickyPollard25 · 25/07/2024 19:28

Naddd · 24/07/2024 11:33

No they are not.

Take your Islamophobia elsewhere.

Judging a religion by the actions of one man!

When a girl is born she opens a door to Heaven for her father.
When she marries she completes half her husbands religion.
When she becomes a mother heaven lies at her feet.

That is the status of females in Islam

Is that the way Islamic men see white woken too? Genuine question

VickyPollard25 · 25/07/2024 19:26

What kind of monster punches a little girl? How is this OK? I despair at this too OP. I hope he rots in hell.

As for the girlfriend- do not have children with this piece of shit.

VickyPollard25 · 25/07/2024 19:24

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/07/2024 22:32

Seems the CPS were doubtful there was any chance of any sort of conviction, which renders charging him with anything a bit pointless.

Not it doesn’t render charging him pointless. Charging him is something. A trial is something.

Flozle · 25/07/2024 19:06

T1Dmama · 24/07/2024 04:35

SOMEONE PLEASE START A PETITION!!

Or you could do it?

croydon15 · 25/07/2024 18:33

Absolutely disgusting, why can't the police force the children to be interviewed but then these little children may be at risk from the adults who only protect the male, a girl is worth nothing, should not be allowed to get away with murder so to speak so no justice for that little girl

MagicFarawayTea · 25/07/2024 18:03

In a similar vein, try watching “Honour” currently on Netflix. Mind boggling misogyny. 😢

Inlaw · 25/07/2024 17:59

mirax · 25/07/2024 03:17

It seems it is irrelevant and wacist shitstirring to mentiona the grooming gangs when this is a case that originates from the same community and town (Rochdale) as the grooming gangs and speaks to a contempt for females but it is entirely alright to bring in a Dutch pedophile and "white" or christian culture. Special and not special at the same time. Diktat is a fitting name for someone who wants to dictate such rigid parameters of discussion and accuse others of agendas.

It was and still is one of the largest scandals of our time.

And as much as you want to say it’s Islamophobia to bring it up. Well it wasn’t the Muslim or Asian community who did it was it? No it was our predominantly white British police force who people are pissed off with.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 14:51

Concretejungle1 · 25/07/2024 14:42

Why is the family protecting him? Disgraceful. Should be disowned. Police/cps should be prosecuting him.

The police can't prosecute him. They think he should be charged with manslaughter. However, the CPS think the medical evidence undermines any attempt to charge him with that. Based on the evidence given yesterday in the inquest (summarised in my post above) it looks like the CPS is correct, but the inquest doesn't finish until Friday so it is possible further evidence will emerge that will change things.

Concretejungle1 · 25/07/2024 14:42

Why is the family protecting him? Disgraceful. Should be disowned. Police/cps should be prosecuting him.

Arconialiving · 25/07/2024 14:15

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 09:40

Yesterday the inquest heard evidence from the brother's girlfriend and two doctors.

The girlfriend's evidence was that she doesn't believe the brother actually punched Falaq. She didn't use the word as far as I can see, but she was suggesting that he was catastrophising when he texted her. I would expect the defence to take this line if he was prosecuted on the basis of the text messages. There are cases where we know this has happened - A has collapsed, B thinks they caused the collapse and says they punched or hit A, when hard evidence has been available showing that any contact was minimal. I'm not saying that is what happened in this case, but that is what I would expect the defence to say.

The more interesting evidence in my view came from two doctors. It seems Falaq had an arteriovenous malformation (AVM) in her brain (note that the Daily Mail gets the term wrong and talks about an abnormal venous malformation). An AVM is a tangle of blood vessels with irregular connections between arteries and veins. An AVM in the brain is rare, particularly in females, but Falaq had one in her cerebellum (the bottom of the back of her brain). An AVM puts a lot of pressure on the walls of the arteries and veins affected. This causes the walls to become thin and weak, and may lead to the walls rupturing spontaneously, causing bleeding in the brain. There is anecdotal evidence suggesting that physical trauma (e.g. being hit) can cause an AVM to bleed, but there is no scientifically proven link. If the brother was prosecuted for manslaughter, I would expect any medical experts to say that, whilst it is possible that a punch or slap from him could have caused the bleed, it is at least equally likely that the bleed happened entirely on its own and was not caused by anything the brother did.

The other point of note is that neither of the doctors questioned yesterday appears to have been aware at the time of death that there had been any physical trauma. This strongly suggests that her brother did not cause any physical injury - no bruises or broken skin, far less any broken bones.

On the medical evidence presented yesterday, I am not surprised that the CPS have not charged the brother with causing his sister's death. And I strongly disagree with the previous poster. If it is clear that there is insufficient evidence to support a prosecution, it would be quite wrong of the CPS to keep the brother and the family hanging on until after the inquest before making a charging decision just because some people who haven't seen all the evidence (or don't want to accept the evidence) think they should.

I would not expect the brother to be charged with child abuse based on a single text message exchange as that is unlikely to be sufficient to get a conviction. Even if there was enough evidence to prosecute him for this offence, unless it was more serious than appears from the medical evidence so far, he would be facing a community sentence if convicted.

I would temper all of the above by saying we are only halfway through the inquest. There are still two more days of hearings. It may be that information will emerge that will change things. Indeed, it may be that information will emerge that will lead to the CPS reviewing its decision not to charge the brother. But the evidence so far suggests this was a perfectly normal charging decision by the CPS, not the scandal the Daily Mail clearly wants it to be.

Thanks for this as I hadn't appreciated this perspective.

Still don't understand why the family didn't allow the younger siblings to speak to the police about what they witnessed though & how that was deemed acceptable & not followed up on.