Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

Exactly why were they not protecting those 3 little children! I guess because they were/are scared of him, but to me that is not an excuse. I really hope he rots in jail for what he did!

@TemuSpecialBuy no no, why are you not centering on the poor killer? As @mm81736 put he may be 'in shock'...

Agreed.
Its horrific stuff.
Especially as their parents and grandmother are protexting their abuser

It really is truly sickening. Being male certainly trumps being female in this household.

What a violence apologists post. Seriously?!

Imagine being an 11 year old girl who takes her young siblings into the bathroom to hide, then getting the door rammed in by a grown man, imagine the fear those 3 children experienced at that moment, then those younger children witnessing their sister being punched and collapsing. I can't imagine how scared those poor children must have been. It's just heartbreaking that no one was protecting them in their own house. He admitted to punching and killing her. That poor little girl then suffered for 3 weeks before she died, it's horrific.

@diktat

I didnt say it happened "because they are muslim" that's patently ridiculous.

But honestly Do you really think muslim culture is not at all problematic and is good for women???

Also in case you missed it My BROTHER and SIL ARE MUSLIM!!!
So are all her family who i socialise with....
So i cant be that much of a racist arsehole 🤷🏻‍♀️

Because it's extremely facile to say the child abuse due to the family being Muslim when there is no evidence of it.

You are coming to it from a place of deep prejudice.

Actually, it's not. The NCBI found:

The three regions with lowest lifetime intimate partner violence prevalence estimates were central Europe (16%; UI 12–21%), central Asia (18%; 13–24%), and western Europe (20%; 15–26%), although even these rates are still high.
As with the lifetime prevalence of intimate partner violence, the highest prevalence of past year physical or sexual, or both, intimate partner violence among ever-partnered women aged 15–49 years was in the regions of central sub-Saharan Africa (32%; UI 22–43%) and Oceania (29%; 19–40%), followed by eastern sub-Saharan Africa (24%; 19–29%) and south Asia (19%; 12–27%; table 4).
Overall, mostly high-income countries including Australasia (3%; UI 2–5%), western Europe (4%; 3–6%), central Europe (5%; 3–6%), southern Latin America (5%; 3–8%), and North America (6%; 4–9%) had the lowest estimated prevalence rates of past year physical or sexual, or both, intimate partner violence among women aged 15–49 years"

What does this even mean??? 😵‍💫

Yes "White people" are shit heads and child abusers too but why are we supposed to sit here and pretend that there is NOT a problematic attitude towards women within the muslim culture (just like extreme Christian churches mostly found in the US, ultra orthodox jews etc) and that this is NOT a factor in this girls death when it really is.

If you're going to wait until the Guardian or the BBC gives a shit about women, it may be a while.

This isn't a Daily Mail opinion piece, a little girl died and her adult brother admitted in writing to hitting her. Those are facts no matter which source reports them.

I read a book about how prosecutions for causes of death are successful in court. It said if someone dies at the hands of another within the following (I think) 24 hours, then cause of death is easy to prove. However, if they linger on, the chances of a successful prosecution slip away.

And God forbid if the Post mortem reveals underlying diseases that the person could have lived with without knowing about.

It's very sad, but we should all hope that if we had the misfortune of being murdered we should die within 24hrs to make it easier for our deaths to be prosecuted.

I also agree we have as a society turned a blind eye to abuse of women and children by plenty of white men too and others in minority groups (orthodox jewish women and girls comes to mind). It breaks my fucking heart tbh. As I get older I increasingly loathe men and their handmaidens. The destruction males wreak on females is so clear yet so easily dismissed.

Star and Arthur's parents were no Christians

So by the same principal, people who abuse children are not Muslims.

You can't have one rule for Muslims and another for non-Muslims.

Do you seriously think that in white families abuse isn't covered up?

You are either utterly naive or utterly disungenuous.

White people are statistically overlwhelmingly the abusers in the UK, so let's just say it's cultural to white people.

it’s not always Muslims but it is most often south asians.

No, statistically it's white people.

Yes I have friends who are muslim too, I had one friend who was regularly beaten up by her brother, I had friends who got beaten by their dads as discipline (one was a public slapping btw). I knew girls who went to school and straight home while their brothers ran the streets. I care about women, I’m not in the business of excusing shitty male behaviours just incase it gives racist air. It’s the massive blindspot people have, we can’t talk about it because we don’t want to give racists oxygen. We sacrifice women and children for that.

I also know some lovely kind muslim men who love their wives and daughters and have high expectations of their son’s behaviour. I know plenty of intelligent and able muslim women who have a very strong moral compass, I’ve adored many muslim women I’ve met and become friends with who

It doesn’t change the fact there are problems when a community is highly patriarchal and family honour rests on the shoulders of women.

Culture which is the word i used definitely played a factor in victoria climbies death.

Star and Arthur's parents were no Christians- I'd be fascinated to know the last time they saw the inside of a church.

My SIL are her family are muslims and my DB converted. My inlaws will very openly discuss the fact with way many muslim men view women is highly problematic and her parents will openly said its the reason only 1 of their 5 daughters ever chose to marry (the parents are progressive and absurdly wealthy) .

A cowardly, despicable family.

An awful violent man, who attacked a child! I hope his girlfriend (seemingly the only one with any sense) has dumped him.

And her father did nothing to get her justice... Just awful.

They seem religious, so hopefully their god will judge them.

I am sorry, but I am not going to form an opinion on this based on a single press report and that in the Daily Mail to boot.

There is, I suspect, considerably more to this than has been printed.

What annoyed me was I saw a video online that my DD showed me on their phone yesterday after that being on TV

A young white woman, walking through town at midday. In jeans and top.

Was accosted by a guy on a bike. She ignored him but he wouldn't leave her alone. She then said "no thank you, I'm not interested", so not being rude or swearing.

He still didn't listen. So she said she had a boyfriend. He said he didn't care. Asked for her Instagram name (of all things) so she said no and she would just block him anyway.

At that point he got angry. Started swearing and threatening her and then said he would kill her for being ignorant and she better come with him now. All in perfect English.

She went into a shop and asked for help. They pushed her to call police. Police did nothing but gave her a crime number and said someone would be in touch.

When 3 days went past and no contact she called. Told they had closed the case. She said she had it all on camera, why have you not called to collect the evidence? She had a clear image of him and clear audio.

According to who she spoke to it was pointless as "he probably doesn't understand the language" and didn't "mean what he said" when he threatened her.

How is that acceptable?

And yes, Andrew Tate is a vile shit of a man. But you can't pick one scapegoat because you're too scared to say about situations where individuals don't understand that that behaviour isn't acceptable in the UK being a huge issue.

We won't deal with the huge numbers of incidents unless we deal with some sectors of society having a male attitude that women are lesser. And cases like this do not help.

Imagine being a Muslim female who is being abused or threatened and you read that. You wouldn't bother asking for help would you?

I've seen others suggest that when police do take action that situations like Leeds happen, but why are we allowing violent behaviour stop our agencies from protecting women and girls? It's an excuse because the police know that very few from any sector have respect for them or their Authority.

*diktat *

the difference is that in those tragic cases you mentioned there were one or two evil perpetrators.
however, there was no other family members covering it up, lying to police and refusing to let anybody be questioned.

this is yet another case of an Asian family whose son take precedence over their daughter.
you are right that it’s not always Muslims but it is most often south asians.

How could there not be a conviction, at least of assault, when he had confessed in writing to having punched her?

Horrific. That poor girl and her poor siblings.

Of couse it was satire.

The laws need to change here.

The family clearly closed rank to protect the son. The police, having reasonable belief that the minor children were witnesses, should have been allowed to interview them with some sort of responsible adult present to ensure their wellbeing (a social worker or child psychologist perhaps?).

If the police had reasonable suspicion that an adult was being abused by their partner, they could take action even if the victim didn't want to proceed. Why is it different when there are kids involved? It's even worse when there are kids involved; young children have zero chance of defending themselves/getting out.

I'm angry with the system.

Many parents would instinctively want to stop their children from going to jail, but you can blame the system for not letting the police intervene and get the conviction anyway.

I hope social workers are watching this family and are ready to take away all the minor children at the first opportunity. Their parents clearly don't care about keeping them safe, only about avoiding public shame.

Girls deserve better.