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British kids and eating habits - IABU ?

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lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:17

I have two young kids and we live in the UK but we are not originally from here.

At home we cook everyday from scratch our food and we take that food at a lunch box at our workplace. We have a light dinner again made from scratch.

The issue is our kids which are of course going to school/nursery and they love to copy their friends!

In the UK it's healthy if a kid eats sausages (god knows what the meat has inside), or for example Heinz baked beans which have 10% sugar and 20% salt (leaving 70% being actual beans) or if they eat fish fingers which are pre-fried (even if you bake them they were already fried before got frozen) or chicken nuggets (again pre-fried which god knows what was the oil quality).

It's also acceptable to drink juices which have no sugar but plenty sweeteners.

Also, it's perfectly fine to have a ham sandwich for lunch which has ready made processed bread full of emulsifiers and ham which (like sausage) god knows what ingredients has.

It's ok that primary schools offer desserts, even if they are small portions and low sugar on a daily basis - not on a weekly or as special occasion! I don't have a dessert everyday, why my kid is offered one?

Honestly, are all these things ok? Am I paranoid?

I am very worried that the kids will either end up obsessed. with diabetes or with other health issues given all the processed food and the fact that we are what we eat.

YABU - are you crazy?

YANBU - unfortunately this is a "balanced healthy diet" in the UK!

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geekygardener · 23/07/2024 23:14

Just back from Spain and France. I was staying in non touristy places. Went out to eat most days especially for breakfast. I distinctly remember the food in offer because I was the only person eating only fruit for breakfast because the other stuff was too sweet/rich. Pastries filled with chocolate. Every pastry drizzled with some sort of syrup. Fried potatoes, pink sausages that felt like plastic, eggs laden with butter and salt. The Spanish and French had no issue filling their plates with this stuff. They were also having sparkling wine with breakfast.

I'm not denying food in the uk can be rubbish but how do you explain the above if what you say is true. This is not the first time I have witnessed this.

comoatoupeira · 23/07/2024 23:08

oh come on, it's not xenophobic to criticize ham and sausages.
Someone above even used the 'racist' word. Is British a race? Honestly.
We're not going to get anywhere in this country if we are so defensive about everything. OP put it a bit snobbishly but her points are valid, aren't they?

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 23/07/2024 23:06

converseandjeans · 23/07/2024 23:02

YANBU to describe British food this way. We are definitely unhealthy compared to other European countries.

www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/karen-le-billion-french-children-eat-anything

My children don't eat anywhere near the normal amount & I've always thought that if would be amazing if they would eat similar diets to French children.

Isn’t there a popular snack in France of a bar of chocolate inside a baguette and that’s what the kids eat after school?

Thelnebriati · 23/07/2024 23:05

Beans are not 20% salt, thats the RDA - recommended daily amount. God, no wonder people think food is unhealthy.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/252261477

British kids and eating habits - IABU ?
VioletMountainHare · 23/07/2024 23:04

lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 17:15

I absolutely get that but you form a habit there which stays with the kid past the school.

When we have lunch on Sunday he asks "and what is the pudding today?" or if we go out for dinner again "what dessert are we having?"

That's not right and it's all about habits!

That’s because you’re depriving him of ever having these things so he’s becoming obsessed with them. You’re also not setting up your children to develop healthy habits. Never eating convenience foods or sugar in their lifetime is unrealistic. Everything in moderation is a much more sensible approach so that you don’t end up with the much desired forbidden food situation you’ve currently created.

If your son is 4 there’s also the possibility that his account is not truly accurate and he’s exaggerating because to him it feels like he’s the only one without treats. When the reality is that different children have treats on different days.

Mistletoewench · 23/07/2024 23:04

mugboat · 23/07/2024 16:34

children from other European countries do not have temper tantrums??? Who knew.

😆

converseandjeans · 23/07/2024 23:02

YANBU to describe British food this way. We are definitely unhealthy compared to other European countries.

www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/karen-le-billion-french-children-eat-anything

My children don't eat anywhere near the normal amount & I've always thought that if would be amazing if they would eat similar diets to French children.

Mirrorcat · 23/07/2024 23:02

I think op might be too embarrassed to come back

RafaFan · 23/07/2024 23:01

SocksAndTheCity · 23/07/2024 16:27

God alone knows. The salt content of Heinz beans is actually 0.6%, and the sugar 4.3% (or 0.6g and 4.3g per 100g respectively), so I think someone's got a bit confused Confused

It might be from "% of recommended daily amount". According to the Heinz "British style baked beans" can I'm looking at here in Canada the sodium content per serving is 12% of recommended daily amount, and sugar is 5%. Fibre is a healthy 25% RDA per serving though. Not all bad!

Dooforglt · 23/07/2024 23:00

You should probably stop judging the uk so much, Malta has a higher obesity rate (for both adults and children!). 😬
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=m

Ranking (% obesity by country)

https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings?age=a&sex=m

samarrange · 23/07/2024 22:58

Mirrorcat · 23/07/2024 22:50

Malta is the most obese country in the EU - and this was from before UK left.

perhaps get on your high horse there too?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Malta

I didn't know about Malta, but I remember reading a few years ago that Greece has Europe's most obese children. It turns out that alongside the "healthy Mediterranean diet" bit with salad and sardines, the kids sneak a lot of spanakopita and baklava from the local φούρνος on the way home from school.

Blisterly · 23/07/2024 22:56

Surely everything in moderation? The poster who ridiculed processed meats can rip the saucisson from my cold dead body as I am never giving that up!! See chorizo and morcilla also. Nothing better than potatoes (fried!!!), with chorizo, morcilla, and an egg on top. Maybe a few (fried!!) peppers too.

Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 23/07/2024 22:56

Newhere5 · 23/07/2024 22:54

Really, you’d rather have cakes than 1 more year with your loved ones?

Could I compromise and get 6 months and have cakes with my loved ones?

Mirrorcat · 23/07/2024 22:54

Oh look op, Malta at the top….

should stop frying your beans…

British kids and eating habits - IABU ?
Newhere5 · 23/07/2024 22:54

MsLavender · 23/07/2024 17:18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_life_expectancy

Life expectancy difference between UK and Malta is about 1 year. If all you're gaining by never eating "bad" foods is 1 extra year then I'd rather have the cake, chocolate, sausages, ham, bacon etc than that 1 year.

Really, you’d rather have cakes than 1 more year with your loved ones?

Dooforglt · 23/07/2024 22:53

lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:37

I mean fruit shoot for example which has these ingredients:

Water,Fruit Juices from Concentrate (Apple 6%, Blackcurrant 2%, Plum),Acid (Citric Acid),Natural Flavourings,Acidity Regulator (Sodium Citrate),Carrot and Blueberry Concentrate,Antioxidant (Ascorbic Acid),Sweeteners (Acesulfame K, Sucralose)

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Yeah this isn’t considered healthy either. My kids drink water or milk, something like a fruit shoot would be a rare occasion.

Dooforglt · 23/07/2024 22:50

VestaTilley · 23/07/2024 22:38

You’re being unreasonable and frankly xenophobic.

Sausages and beans aren’t healthy or considered to be so. We’re from the UK and know precisely how to feed our children healthily, thank you very much. My DS prefers brown bread, eats vegetables, fruit and salad, enjoys fish, home cooked meals and unusual tasting food.

Most nurseries prepare nutritious, balanced food. If yours doesn’t then look for a different one.

Yeah this.
I don’t recognise what you’re saying at all op. And no one thinks beans and sausages are healthy. But of course, the rest of Europe is far superior 🙄.

Mirrorcat · 23/07/2024 22:50

Malta is the most obese country in the EU - and this was from before UK left.

perhaps get on your high horse there too?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Malta

Bedofroses85 · 23/07/2024 22:47

I hear you, I also grew up elsewhere in Europe and my school dinners were inspired in traditional home cooking, like stews, pulses, loads of vegetables, pasta, etc. We never had pizza, nuggets, fish fingers, sausages...I have voted yanbu because independently on schools' budgets I consider the standard menu selection for lunches in the UK lacking on nutrients and enough vegetables.

Meowzabubz · 23/07/2024 22:44

And yet, despite all that, brits still end up living a relatively long life by global terms

Cel77 · 23/07/2024 22:44

Pallisers · 23/07/2024 22:04

He still thinks olives are good for you in spite of me trying to educate him!

What is wrong with olives????

Fat and salty. Nothing is healthy in an olive. Unless you eat it fresh from the tree but you'll find them disgusting! Olive oil IS healthy however. In small amounts.

knitnerd90 · 23/07/2024 22:43

I make my own bread of all sorts. (irony: I have diabetes and can only eat small amounts of it!) Now, I do it because I enjoy it and because it's cheaper than the nice bread; cheap American bread is as rank as you've heard. But unless you want to do the most basic bread machine white, it takes time and planning. I've been baking bread for near on 20 years, so I've got it down pat and know how to adjust timings, make bread prove more or less quickly, use the fridge, etc. But I would never breezily suggest someone take it up. Health wise it depends what you make. I can make a lovely brioche or a Japanese milk bread, and they are melt in your mouth delicious, but they're full of added fat and sugar. I can also make a nice hearty wholegrain sourdough.

Also Europe is not all one food culture. I've heard some howlers about Norwegian food particularly. Speaking of pizza, it seems Norwegians consume more frozen pizza per capita than anyone else and the frozen pizza aisle of the supermarket is massive. (So says a friend who lived there.)

Supertayto · 23/07/2024 22:41

As a previous poster has said, there are enormous systemic financial issues with how school meals are funded and budgeted. In many schools the main focus is getting children fed because that might be their only meal that day - caloric intake, not a varied menu. If you want your child to eat other things then remove them from school meals and take the hit with their complaints. In the meantime, if you feel very strongly about it write to your MP and ask them about the financial deals various local authorities have struck with meat and dairy companies to ensure that it is written into policy that children must have a certain number of portions of meat and dairy per week. There are vegan companies out there who work in private schools, could work in state schools at a comparable cost to the current meals but aren’t allowed because of these bullshit policies. Bucks, I’m looking at you.

Owl55 · 23/07/2024 22:39

As someone who worked in a school for many years and often supervised at lunchtime I very rarely saw a healthy lunch and one tiny cupcake for dessert was common !

VestaTilley · 23/07/2024 22:38

You’re being unreasonable and frankly xenophobic.

Sausages and beans aren’t healthy or considered to be so. We’re from the UK and know precisely how to feed our children healthily, thank you very much. My DS prefers brown bread, eats vegetables, fruit and salad, enjoys fish, home cooked meals and unusual tasting food.

Most nurseries prepare nutritious, balanced food. If yours doesn’t then look for a different one.