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British kids and eating habits - IABU ?

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lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:17

I have two young kids and we live in the UK but we are not originally from here.

At home we cook everyday from scratch our food and we take that food at a lunch box at our workplace. We have a light dinner again made from scratch.

The issue is our kids which are of course going to school/nursery and they love to copy their friends!

In the UK it's healthy if a kid eats sausages (god knows what the meat has inside), or for example Heinz baked beans which have 10% sugar and 20% salt (leaving 70% being actual beans) or if they eat fish fingers which are pre-fried (even if you bake them they were already fried before got frozen) or chicken nuggets (again pre-fried which god knows what was the oil quality).

It's also acceptable to drink juices which have no sugar but plenty sweeteners.

Also, it's perfectly fine to have a ham sandwich for lunch which has ready made processed bread full of emulsifiers and ham which (like sausage) god knows what ingredients has.

It's ok that primary schools offer desserts, even if they are small portions and low sugar on a daily basis - not on a weekly or as special occasion! I don't have a dessert everyday, why my kid is offered one?

Honestly, are all these things ok? Am I paranoid?

I am very worried that the kids will either end up obsessed. with diabetes or with other health issues given all the processed food and the fact that we are what we eat.

YABU - are you crazy?

YANBU - unfortunately this is a "balanced healthy diet" in the UK!

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BigDahliaFan · 25/07/2024 10:29

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:21

Was there any vegetarian food in Germany? I'm going there in August!

Head for Turkish, Thai and Vietnamese restaurants. But out of cities you might be eating a lot of pizza....

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 25/07/2024 10:28

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:12

I remember many years ago my ex-DH went to Germany for work. He was very much a fan of Germany and spoke German. He is also a vegetarian. He found it very difficult to eat in Germany, everything had meat in it - or had had - and vegetables were few.

I recall going to France as a teen and as a vegetarian it was a bloody nightmare, everything had meat in, fairly often it seemed to be ham. I recall trying to order a plain omelette - when it arrived it had bloody ham in it.

BigDahliaFan · 25/07/2024 10:28

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:12

I remember many years ago my ex-DH went to Germany for work. He was very much a fan of Germany and spoke German. He is also a vegetarian. He found it very difficult to eat in Germany, everything had meat in it - or had had - and vegetables were few.

Oh God yes, I found eating in Germany a right struggle - not vegetarian but I do like a vegetable with my meal.

We ate a lot of Turkish, Thai and Vietnamese food in Germany! I can't get on with traditional German food - even if it is home cooked etc.

Southern Med food, amazing, Scaninavian food..amazing....

Polish, German etc I find more of a struggle...

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/07/2024 10:26

@Smittenkitchen
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Fruit and vegetables are generally high in carbohydrates.

They are. I thought I was reasonably clued up about nutrition but was very surprised just how many veg were banned on a strict keto diet. You could basically eat salad leaves and a few berries.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:12

Anonym00se · 24/07/2024 22:54

Also just to add, there’s been an explosion of McDonalds/Burger King/KFC etc in France over the past few years. I’m sure their obesity rates will be climbing. Supermarkets have just as much crap as we have here.

Ive also just spent three weeks in Germany and the food was atrocious. A million types of sausage or schnitzel and no other meat. Hardly a vegetable anywhere other than sauerkraut. We travelled all over and it was the same everywhere.

I remember many years ago my ex-DH went to Germany for work. He was very much a fan of Germany and spoke German. He is also a vegetarian. He found it very difficult to eat in Germany, everything had meat in it - or had had - and vegetables were few.

RosesAndHellebores · 25/07/2024 09:55

The quality of hospital food is equally grim and you would expect it to be nutritious bearing in mind the health impact.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/07/2024 09:55

Mirabai · 24/07/2024 20:09

I do. Just because they’re vile and fatty and taste of - well - sausages.

Good quality sausages aren’t fatty. You can prick them while cooking and virtually no fat comes out.

IAmTooOldFor · 25/07/2024 09:54

Smittenkitchen · 25/07/2024 09:10

Fruit and vegetables are generally high in carbohydrates.

Some, like root veg, are higher than others but I’m not sure I’d refer to them as “high”. I suppose it’s subjective. My original point was that a balanced diet is a good way to build a healthy lifestyle. Excess amounts of any food (ie not in moderation) is not particularly good for us.

arlequin · 25/07/2024 09:35

timesofmalta.com/article/more-than-75-of-maltese-men-are-overweight.952336
Not to single out Malta particularly (only as you mentioned it in comparison to UK habits), but unhealthy habits exist everywhere

arlequin · 25/07/2024 09:31

But OP all countries struggle with this.

lovinmalta.com/news/maltese-with-the-second-highest-consumption-sugary-drinks-across-the-eu/

Smittenkitchen · 25/07/2024 09:10

IAmTooOldFor · 25/07/2024 08:54

We absolutely should! Your body also needs carbs, protein, iron (to name but a few) which you won’t get from filling up exclusively on fruit and veg. I wouldn’t advise excessive fibre intake either but feel free to try it if you’re feeling brave 😊

Fruit and vegetables are generally high in carbohydrates.

Anonym00se · 25/07/2024 09:09

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:21

Was there any vegetarian food in Germany? I'm going there in August!

There were vegetarian and vegan restaurants in Berlin and Munich so I’m sure they’ll have them elsewhere. I really struggled because I’m coeliac and literally everything had gluten in, but i recall vegetarian schnitzel, pizza and pasta, noodles with cheese and onions, potatoes, potato salad, dumplings in mushroom sauce. Just not much actual veg aside from sauerkraut and asparagus. Loads of bread and pretzels too. You’ll definitely be fine for a few days but your options might be a bit limited.

IAmTooOldFor · 25/07/2024 08:54

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 22:59

I don't think 'all things in moderation' is a good thing to live by. We shouldn't be eating fruit, vegetables and fibre in moderation as a general rule!

We absolutely should! Your body also needs carbs, protein, iron (to name but a few) which you won’t get from filling up exclusively on fruit and veg. I wouldn’t advise excessive fibre intake either but feel free to try it if you’re feeling brave 😊

HotCrossBunplease · 25/07/2024 08:48

londonmummy1966 · 25/07/2024 08:36

I agree - it is something that concerns me. DM would tell you that she cooked from scratch but I remember a lot of Angel Delight, jelly and packet puddings like cheesecake and lemon meringue pie. (She did make a weekly cake from scratch.) She also used the delightful Smash with the laughing space aliens in its advert. She will talk endlessly about how once she bought a freezer she'd go to a farm and buy half a sheep etc but I recall a lot of fish fingers, frozen burgers etc as well as Sunday roasts and weekday stews.

I can see it’s interesting to look back and compare memories (recollections may vary, as her Late Majesty memorably said …)

But why does it concern you? Are you worried that you’ll wake up one day and be obese when all the Angel Delight suddenly catches up with you?

londonmummy1966 · 25/07/2024 08:36

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:19

The obese adults of today are those who grew up in the 70s and 80s....I've always heard it said the 70s was when all the processed food started.

I agree - it is something that concerns me. DM would tell you that she cooked from scratch but I remember a lot of Angel Delight, jelly and packet puddings like cheesecake and lemon meringue pie. (She did make a weekly cake from scratch.) She also used the delightful Smash with the laughing space aliens in its advert. She will talk endlessly about how once she bought a freezer she'd go to a farm and buy half a sheep etc but I recall a lot of fish fingers, frozen burgers etc as well as Sunday roasts and weekday stews.

Butwhybecause · 25/07/2024 08:29

Zuma76 · 25/07/2024 08:05

😂
the first time I saw chocolate spread on a breakfast table was when I was 12 on a German exchange. Nutella,processed meats or processed cheese.

I was amazed at the size of the Nesquik tubs in French supermarkets in the 1990s!

Zuma76 · 25/07/2024 08:05

SnappyCroc · 24/07/2024 22:15

Hmm. What I've taken from this thread is that I'm still not clear what is worse - ham sandwiches every day or nutella baguettes every day.

😂
the first time I saw chocolate spread on a breakfast table was when I was 12 on a German exchange. Nutella,processed meats or processed cheese.

ForGreyKoala · 25/07/2024 04:25

Mirabai · 24/07/2024 20:09

I do. Just because they’re vile and fatty and taste of - well - sausages.

I have gallstones and buy sausages with very little fat content. They are well flavoured (I don't like plain sausages) and are delicious.

Champagnesocialismo · 24/07/2024 23:33

I don’t think this is particularly new, because schools spend less on lunches than we do on prisoners, but to say it’s gone downhill in the last five years as school budgets have declined is an understatement.

Still I think you are unreasonable OP. No one moves to the UK for good food, which is an act of will here. You want nice food you are never getting it in any State institution either.

Keep giving your kids the good stuff. You may really save them from serious disease when they get older.

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:21

Anonym00se · 24/07/2024 22:54

Also just to add, there’s been an explosion of McDonalds/Burger King/KFC etc in France over the past few years. I’m sure their obesity rates will be climbing. Supermarkets have just as much crap as we have here.

Ive also just spent three weeks in Germany and the food was atrocious. A million types of sausage or schnitzel and no other meat. Hardly a vegetable anywhere other than sauerkraut. We travelled all over and it was the same everywhere.

Was there any vegetarian food in Germany? I'm going there in August!

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:19

Vanilladay · 24/07/2024 23:05

I grew up in the 70's too and my mother cooked from scratch. If we had sausages they were from a butcher and may have been better quality. We didn't have supermarkets until the late 70's and never ate ready meals or much in the way of processed foods. Chocolate was a very occasional treat (Easter, Christmas, birthday!). We didn't overeat, there was much less obesity and we didn't feel deprived! I agree with OP the pressure on parents to feed their kids fast food rubbish and overly fatty, processed junk is enormous. No idea what the answer is apart from sticking to your principles and keeping your kids healthy. One day I hope they'll thank you! 👍👍

The obese adults of today are those who grew up in the 70s and 80s....I've always heard it said the 70s was when all the processed food started.

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:16

snoopyfanaccountant · 24/07/2024 20:31

The problem isn't the school; it's the other parents. The council area where my Dc went to school had salmon on the primary school menu a few years ago and a parent questioned on the council's social media "what child is going to eat salmon?". My DC have grown up eating salmon because it's something that DH and I both enjoy and we have brought our DC up eating what we eat (one won't eat white fish thanks to the awful offerings at primary school lunches) and chicken nuggets, pizza, potato waffles, etc have been treats rather than the norm.
I'm not going to judge the choices of other parents. I love cooking and spending a day batch cooking after a trip to Asda for yellow stickered meat is my dream; others don't have that time, freezer space or drive. My DC had allergies to artificial food colourings and aspartame when they were small so my slow cooker became my best friend.

Salmon? That's amazing. I think the only fish my DC's Primary had was fish fingers and the Secondary has battered white fish on a Friday!

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:13

Nightfall34 · 23/07/2024 21:00

I agree OP. I also disagree with PP who say it's not just a British issue. OK, the US are just as bad but the majority of Europe does not eat like this.

DD is now 6 and I already feel like we are that weird family that doesn't eat like everyone else. She had friends round the other day and we had these natural low sugar juices and her friends said "do you like this? It's so sour!". I'd never thought of them as sour at all, they're delicious, but I guess they would be compared to the sugary squash they have daily.

I'm even starting to feel my own standards slipping as DC used to eat anything and everything but have only become fussier with age and the food they get at school.

Low sugar juices? What do you mean by that? What juices aren't sweet? Maybe they are just used to water?

Personally I would find it a bit weird a family giving DC some special 'low sugar juice' rather than water or perhaps milk.

SummerDays2020 · 24/07/2024 23:05

IvyIvyIvy · 23/07/2024 21:22

It costs hardly anything to make veg or lentil soup, or a jacket potato with toppings, or a vegetarian chilli though.

Most schools have jacket potatoes. But they don't have kitchens to can't make these things.

Vanilladay · 24/07/2024 23:05

I grew up in the 70's too and my mother cooked from scratch. If we had sausages they were from a butcher and may have been better quality. We didn't have supermarkets until the late 70's and never ate ready meals or much in the way of processed foods. Chocolate was a very occasional treat (Easter, Christmas, birthday!). We didn't overeat, there was much less obesity and we didn't feel deprived! I agree with OP the pressure on parents to feed their kids fast food rubbish and overly fatty, processed junk is enormous. No idea what the answer is apart from sticking to your principles and keeping your kids healthy. One day I hope they'll thank you! 👍👍

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