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British kids and eating habits - IABU ?

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lovemycoffee2 · 23/07/2024 16:17

I have two young kids and we live in the UK but we are not originally from here.

At home we cook everyday from scratch our food and we take that food at a lunch box at our workplace. We have a light dinner again made from scratch.

The issue is our kids which are of course going to school/nursery and they love to copy their friends!

In the UK it's healthy if a kid eats sausages (god knows what the meat has inside), or for example Heinz baked beans which have 10% sugar and 20% salt (leaving 70% being actual beans) or if they eat fish fingers which are pre-fried (even if you bake them they were already fried before got frozen) or chicken nuggets (again pre-fried which god knows what was the oil quality).

It's also acceptable to drink juices which have no sugar but plenty sweeteners.

Also, it's perfectly fine to have a ham sandwich for lunch which has ready made processed bread full of emulsifiers and ham which (like sausage) god knows what ingredients has.

It's ok that primary schools offer desserts, even if they are small portions and low sugar on a daily basis - not on a weekly or as special occasion! I don't have a dessert everyday, why my kid is offered one?

Honestly, are all these things ok? Am I paranoid?

I am very worried that the kids will either end up obsessed. with diabetes or with other health issues given all the processed food and the fact that we are what we eat.

YABU - are you crazy?

YANBU - unfortunately this is a "balanced healthy diet" in the UK!

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mugboat · 23/07/2024 22:11

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 23/07/2024 22:10

Ooh bugger that, I love the big juicy buggers stuffed with garlic cloves.

I prefer chilli flakes

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 23/07/2024 22:10

mugboat · 23/07/2024 22:08

you need to buy reduced salt, reduced fat olives but not upf obvs

Ooh bugger that, I love the big juicy buggers stuffed with garlic cloves.

mugboat · 23/07/2024 22:08

Pallisers · 23/07/2024 22:04

He still thinks olives are good for you in spite of me trying to educate him!

What is wrong with olives????

you need to buy reduced salt, reduced fat olives but not upf obvs

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 23/07/2024 22:08

Cel77 · 23/07/2024 21:56

Tuna is a big predator so will be full of mercury. Not massively healthy either...

Canned tuna is actually fairly low in mercury because of the size of fish they used for the tinned stuff. And providing you aren’t eating tuna every day, your mercury levels are likely to be fairly normal

NewFriendlyLadybird · 23/07/2024 22:08

Pallisers · 23/07/2024 22:04

He still thinks olives are good for you in spite of me trying to educate him!

What is wrong with olives????

I was going to ask this too. What IS wrong with olives?

mugboat · 23/07/2024 22:07

JollyPinkFox · 23/07/2024 21:57

I wasn’t actually referring to you in my comment about lack of nutrition knowledge (which is why I didn’t quote you) but I’m certainly not taking lessons on being non-judgemental from someone who says things like ‘are you on crack’

Edited

you literally commented about how you can't believe people couldn't make bread in a few mins .. then said people weren't educated in nutrition. how else am I meant to take it?

the crack comment was clearly a joke

willWillSmithsmith · 23/07/2024 22:06

mugboat · 23/07/2024 16:34

children from other European countries do not have temper tantrums??? Who knew.

They bloody do lol. If you’ve never been to a playground with Italian kids you don’t know what a tantrum is.

A lot of roasting of the UK by ‘superior’ continentals who look down on us. My kids state primary school had amazing lunches.

If you feed your children decent meals at home then you don’t need to fret.

Sethera · 23/07/2024 22:05

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 23/07/2024 22:02

Tuna - salty, oily, you might as well give your children crack

😂😂😂

😄Only on Mumsnet, eh ...

Pallisers · 23/07/2024 22:04

He still thinks olives are good for you in spite of me trying to educate him!

What is wrong with olives????

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 23/07/2024 22:02

Tuna - salty, oily, you might as well give your children crack

😂😂😂

JollyPinkFox · 23/07/2024 21:57

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:56

and also, my mum taught me how to cook and bake when I was growing up. I did Home Ec GCSE and I cooked family meals from age 14. So take your judgey pants elsewhere about my knowledge of nutrition.

Edited

I wasn’t actually referring to you in my comment about lack of nutrition knowledge (which is why I didn’t quote you) but I’m certainly not taking lessons on being non-judgemental from someone who says things like ‘are you on crack’

Cel77 · 23/07/2024 21:56

GameOfJones · 23/07/2024 20:57

I genuinely mean this nicely.... giving your children a ham sandwich every day is definitely not healthy. As has already been said, processed meat like ham is a proven carcinogen. If you make no other changes at least alternate it with cheese sandwiches or tuna etc.

Tuna is a big predator so will be full of mercury. Not massively healthy either...

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:56

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:54

urm no... I've got 3 children and a full time job. I also make packed lunches for them daily (I always include raw veggies for those of you wondering if I pack Doritos and Red Bull).

I also cook their evening meals from scratch.

So by the time I've done school runs, worked, made dinner and put them to bed, washed the dishes and tidied the house and done a load of laundry NO I do not have time to hand make bread and cleaning up the doughy mess (so messy).

If that makes me lazy, so be it.

and also, my mum taught me how to cook and bake when I was growing up. I did Home Ec GCSE and I cooked family meals from age 14. So take your judgey pants elsewhere about my knowledge of nutrition.

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:54

JollyPinkFox · 23/07/2024 21:41

Even by hand the total manpower involved in making a normal loaf is minutes. Whilst proving most people don’t sit and wait but go and do something else. Honestly think it’s a sad state of affairs that people can’t be bothered even when it doesn’t require you to do anything much. This is all an education thing though. No proper nutrition or food tech in schools anymore

urm no... I've got 3 children and a full time job. I also make packed lunches for them daily (I always include raw veggies for those of you wondering if I pack Doritos and Red Bull).

I also cook their evening meals from scratch.

So by the time I've done school runs, worked, made dinner and put them to bed, washed the dishes and tidied the house and done a load of laundry NO I do not have time to hand make bread and cleaning up the doughy mess (so messy).

If that makes me lazy, so be it.

girlswillbegirls · 23/07/2024 21:54

NotAlexa · 23/07/2024 16:33

Bullion/seasonal salad for starters, fish/meat fillet for main with fibre rich vegetables as garnish, and any fruit for dessert. Would like to know if there are ANY schools which do this, as this is very standard school meal ration in all Scandi countries + France and Netherlands.

Also they get similar menu at school in Spain. Plus soups and fresh fish, casserols based on legumes, all made from scratch.
I grew up in the 1980s and this was standard. Dessert at school was fruit, sometimes yogurt.
All children are used to it and they have it from.early age.

Cel77 · 23/07/2024 21:53

Some people are quite defensive on here but I'm like you. I'm amazed at what people feed their kids. Ours love beige fried food too so it's an uphill battle to get them to eat fairly healthily.

The snack culture is crazy. Everywhere there are kids,they have to have a snack. Unnecessary at best.

Kids meals are all nuggets,burgers,sausages, pizza or fish fingers ( or pasta).

Pudding everyday for their school lunch. The worst school lunch at my kids' school is sausage roll/chips and then chocolate cake. How on earth is anyone thinking that's ok? No nutrition, just processed fat and sugar.

We try to balance all of this with home cooked meals but my husband is not really backing me up (he's British). He loves unhealthy stuff,snacks all evening long and then is not hungry for breakfast in the morning (surprise surprise!) . He looks at vegetarian food as if it's abnormal and almost never eat fruit. However he has 2 bags of crisps every day! He still thinks olives are good for you in spite of me trying to educate him!
He's genetically lucky as he's slim by nature and quite fit but I'm not sure how!

My kids usually feel better and behave and sleep better when they eat healthy food.

We eat baked beans,sausages and pizza too but it's not that often and I try to buy organic or better quality if I can.

I want to get rid of white bread but I'm not sure I'll win this one!

So yes, Britain is a country with a massive issue with obesity (pardon the pun) and the food people eat everyday is definitely part of this. It would be foolish to pretend otherwise.

DustyLee123 · 23/07/2024 21:52

As a kid we were always given a pudding at school, and my kids were too. It’s normal here.

biscuitandcake · 23/07/2024 21:50

IvyIvyIvy · 23/07/2024 21:22

It costs hardly anything to make veg or lentil soup, or a jacket potato with toppings, or a vegetarian chilli though.

But what toppings would go on the potato?
Beans - As already established, not OK
Cheese and butter - probably processed, ready grated cheese. Dripping in fat, higher in salt than beans.
Tuna - salty, oily, you might as well give your children crack
Chilli - OK if freshly prepared and simmered for hours to really release the flavours. But likely the dastardly school would put sugar in it, or buy in chilli which would have added sugar.

Beryls · 23/07/2024 21:49

I just googled obesity in Malta. Seems to be quite a concern there. I'll stick to sausage and mash thanks.

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:48

40somethingme · 23/07/2024 21:41

You measure out the ingredients, put them into the machine, press a few buttons and wait. Hardly rocket science and very limited effort.

Your crack comment is just rude.

I. don't. have. a bread maker.

The crack comment was clearly a joke. Chill your beans.

Heydiddlediddlethecatandthefiddle · 23/07/2024 21:48

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:45

and hence my comment as not everyone has a bread maker, or space for one. I don't actually know anyone who has one. Perhaps in 2014... but now everyone seems to have air fryers.

Edited

Then there was no need to make a rude comment about it being time consuming then when it actually isn’t time consuming at all with a bread maker - which is what the poster was pointing out (and yes I have a bread maker as do at least 3 people I know!)

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:46

biscuitandcake · 23/07/2024 21:43

I like baking bread. It makes me feel wholesome and I can pretend I am a 15th century rural matriarch. But I'm not 100% convinced its that much healthier than shop bought. I mean sure there's the longer rise time and there is probably less sugar.** But shop bought bread isn't poison. Its bread. Its fine to eat. Especially children that need a certain amount of carbs for energy. The idea that lunch can only be healthy if it involves fresh baked bread is a bit ludicrous.

**Except its easy to cram half a loaf on home made bread into your gob while its still hot from the oven. Which almost certainly cancels out the lower suar benefit.

it tastes amazing buy seriously, who has time? not me. cakes are quicker.

RainbowColouredRainbows · 23/07/2024 21:46

NotAlexa · 23/07/2024 16:30

I hear you OP. I'm also from the continent and British kids (as adults too) have atrocious diets. I did not know what chocolate was until 7 years of age, and was only allowed fruit for the sweet tooth. To this day, I do not want chocolate, because I am not addicted to it like to an opioid.

Kids menu's on the continent are also significantly better - there are no chicken nuggets and pizza's; kids eat what adults eat, just smaller portions!

We also don't have a problem with children and tantrums. Somehow european kids palates are well developed and they simply don't want unhealthy stuff.

Also there is something to be said regarding the fact that we introduce babies to solids at 4 months old, in the UK they all look at me like I'm an alien. 😅And we get them potty trained as soon as they can sit!

I would say, for the sake of your kids try to explain to them the back of the ingredients list on packaging and definitely show them pictures of obese people so they know what can be the result of sugar/aspartame overdose and processed food eating. Definitely going to do that to my DD when she is old enough to read.

The continent is a very large area. As someone who comes from a Mediterranean country, I can tell you now that children there are still eating chicken nuggets and portion sizes are much bigger than here and children are constantly being fed. Many children don't eat a proper meal in the evening but will get a kabab on their way home from school and then eat bread at home. The stats agree with me too with many countries on the continent are projected to have massive childhood obesity problems.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1305394/european-countries-with-highest-projected-levels-of-child-obesity/

I also worked in another school on the continent and they didn't get school lunches. Packed lunches were a sandwich and fruit, but there was still a huge queue every break time for sweets and chocolate at the kiosk.

UK eating habits are not brilliant but as a teacher, I would argue that packed lunches have become healthier over the past 10 years and schools are making a more conscious effort than ever to be healthier. But you have to be realistic too. Schools in the UK are catering for much larger audiences. Many schools on the continent close at lunchtime or have longer lunch breaks and many don't provide school dinners full stop.

European countries with highest projected levels of child obesity by 2030 | Statista

By 2030, Hungary, Turkey, and Croatia were projected to have the highest prevalence of childhood obesity (between 5 and 19 years of age) across Europe at 19 percent.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1305394/european-countries-with-highest-projected-levels-of-child-obesity

AvacadoBathroomSuite · 23/07/2024 21:46

IvyIvyIvy · 23/07/2024 21:45

This is right. Although I have found one brand now with only four ingredients so as good as home baked

What’s this please? I eat properly baked bread but sometimes I fancy the shape and texture of a bought sliced loaf but never buy it any more!

mugboat · 23/07/2024 21:45

Heydiddlediddlethecatandthefiddle · 23/07/2024 21:38

Hence why the poster said in a bread maker... It takes 1 minute to prep.

Edited

and hence my comment as not everyone has a bread maker, or space for one. I don't actually know anyone who has one. Perhaps in 2014... but now everyone seems to have air fryers.

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