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I find my daughter very stubborn

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summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:40

She’s only 9 and I’m looking for advice and guidance to stop things escalating when she gets older. Please no comments on my parenting. I am really trying and just looking for some advice Example of things: I asked her to brush her teeth this morning and she started screaming at me “NOT YET” I asked her calmly again. She refused then I said she won’t have breakfast till her teeth are brushed. When I try to brush her teeth myself she shouts and screams.

She’s okay and quite lovely when I don’t ask her to do anything but it feels like she tries to argue on purpose with me at times. I’ve been researching online and found ODD (oppositional defiance disorder). She fits the description. It’s just when she’s asked to do things.

I’ve seen how these threads go when I tried to research on mumsnet! I’ve never posted about her before but I’ve read lots of threads and I’m worried about posting on here as I have a feeling this will go one of two ways from other threads I’ve read. Please give me some practical advice and your experience of kids that were like this and how did they grow up? The same or things get better as they age? Thanks in advance

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bergamotorange · 23/07/2024 11:00

I asked her to brush her teeth this morning and she started screaming at me “NOT YET”
You are controlling the timing a lot for a 9yo. Give her more autonomy over when, or a longer deadline

I asked her calmly again. She refused then I said she won’t have breakfast till her teeth are brushed. Immediate escalation to this threat is self-defeating. You want her to eat breakfast. Instead explain that teeth brushing is very important to avoid problems. Try to shift this so cleaning teeth is something she does for herself, not because you tell her to.

When I try to brush her teeth myself she shouts and screams. This sounds borderline abusive, she is nine not three!

summer20241 · 23/07/2024 11:00

Thank you so much everyone. I’m reading the advice and making notes!

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seriouslynonames · 23/07/2024 11:00

Consequences don't work so well for my DD8. She has ADHD (possibly other stuff as yet undiagnosed) but we get exactly the response you have had when asking her to brush teeth. We tried everything over many months, trying to get to the bottom of why she refused. Now we take a very low demand approach to stuff like this - she is very demand avoidant at times. I pop the toothpaste on the brush hold it near her while she is playing or otherwise occupied and sometimes she takes it and does it, other times I just say 'time to open your mouth' or I ask 'shall I or will you?' and usually one of these will work. The threat of consequences just escalated things into a power struggle. Calmly explaining outside of the moment that teeth need to be cleaned so we can have fruit, puddings etc and so the dentist doesn't have to scrape too much when we visit next goes down better than in the moment reminders of the natural consequences of not cleaning teeth. Teeth cleaning is much more consistent now. Good luck!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 23/07/2024 10:59

What @DaisyChain505 said helped for us as well 🙂

In my experience the threat of "consequences" tended to make this particular kind of conflict worse.

LostTheMarble · 23/07/2024 10:57

summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:49

@cupcaske123 things taken away - iPad, tv. Time out. For good behaviour we go places like her favourite cafe, bowling etc.

Consequences should be instant and short. I’m not saying your daughter has adhd but using similar strategies wouldn’t hurt. Because the emotions are in the moment, longterm consequences and positive outcomes are less effective. Does she start the day with the iPad? In our house there’s no screens at all until breakfast/teeth/getting dressed is done. My eldest gets 10 minutes after this has been done in the morning as I need to help his siblings get ready. Access to screens is put away the night before, it’s not a punishment but part of the daily routine.

MarmaladeOnButteredToast · 23/07/2024 10:57

Try giving timings. “In five minutes, it will be time to brush your teeth” or ask “What time will you brush your teeth?”, this gives them a feeling of autonomy and time to mentally prepare. Don’t demand anything without notice.

DaisyChain505 · 23/07/2024 10:55

For your morning routine try having a tick chart

brush teeth
get changed
eat breakfast
pack bag
etc

have a deal that all things need to be done and ticked off before leaving the house and if she happens to have 5 minutes extra before leaving the house she is allowed iPad time or the promise of something like a sweet treat at school pick up in the afternoon.

if she can see her jobs written down infront of her and knows something nice hangs on the condition that she does then it may help.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 23/07/2024 10:55

What happens with your DD if you offer a choice "now or in five minutes"? Worked well with my DS.

I would not try to brush a 9 year old's teeth for her.

And you can try using positive language like when/then instead of not/until - when you've brushed your teeth then we can have breakfast. It's surprising how much difference that can make. It's calming, and a lot of stubbornness is actually fuelled by anxiety.

A couple of resources to try. For children with this profile Ross Greene's "Explosive Child" book and website can be very effective. The children he's talking about may be more extreme than your DD but you can adapt the strategies to suit.

You can also try oldie but goodie Sue Jenner's "Parent-Child Game". In her way of describing children your DD may be "slow to warm up".

They both helped my DC who tended to react this way to demands. He ended up with an ASC diagnosis but these ones are not ASC specific books and they were very useful anyway!

summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:54

Please let’s not derail this thread with brushing now! That’s just an example.

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summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:53

That’s really strange you guys saying not brushing teeth before breakfast! You have to wait 30 - 60 minutes after eating otherwise. Teeth enamel is more likely to get damaged if you brush straight after eating.

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summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:51

@LostTheMarble thank you. I don’t feel like I’m explaining it properly it’s really hard to but it’s like she has no issues 99% of the time but it feels like she likes getting her way. She says things like “no! You listen to ME!”,

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MillsAndBalloons · 23/07/2024 10:50

Brushing teeth before breakfast is weird, I wouldn't want to do it either.

But yeah, consequences are your friend here

summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:49

@cupcaske123 things taken away - iPad, tv. Time out. For good behaviour we go places like her favourite cafe, bowling etc.

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LostTheMarble · 23/07/2024 10:49

I am a parent of children with ASD and adhd so oppositional defiance disorder comes with the territory. But I’d not make my children brush their teeth before breakfast to start with, it’s a tad pointless and would trigger sensory issues around eating said breakfast. Teeth brushing is between breakfast and getting dressed. Very strict routine in the mornings is how we get by, it does all tend to fall apart on weekends and in the holidays but even if it happens later the key is to reduce stress.

cupcaske123 · 23/07/2024 10:47

What consequences do you have for when she is disobedient?

summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:45

Just to note I did not try to brush her teeth for this morning. I’m talking about when we’re late for school and she doesn’t brush them.

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summer20241 · 23/07/2024 10:42

Sorry for typos! I’ll come back in a bit and edit

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