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If you live in a middle class area do you ever hear your neighbours argue?

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Barrol · 22/07/2024 22:39

Never heard a single neighbour argue and it makes me so self conscious when DH and I do. Not that we argue often. Dh and I raised our voices earlier in the evening as we had very different opinions on how to approach ab annoying task we are getting through. All the windows were wide open. So embarrassed. It was only for 5 minutes.

Is it because we live in a middle class area in the Home Counties?

Just for context our cul de sac is described as sought after on house listings. Most people are professionals around here. Do these people just have calm discussions?

Have lived here for 10 years. Never heard a peep.

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SailingRoundtheWorld · 23/07/2024 15:11

More expensive houses are usually detached and further away from their neighbours than cheaper houses. That might be one reason for the perception that middle class folk don't argue.

SailingRoundtheWorld · 23/07/2024 15:07

Barrol · 22/07/2024 22:47

what is offensive? my insinuation that lower class people are the shouty lot?

We'll soon be hearing from people claiming they have never heard a raised voice on their council estate, but they are kept awake every night by the screaming middle-class folk living in the posh houses two miles away... 🤣

Projectme · 23/07/2024 14:49

Thedayb4youcame · 22/07/2024 23:47

Indeed. It has overtones of "I mean, on the council estate (and don't get me wrong, I do genuinely understand the need for them, really I do) one might expect to hear such an exchange on a nightly basis, so for them they could well be accustomed, but I'm not sure it's the done thing in the suburbs".

Haha...channelling Margot Ledbetter there. But OP has explained that she hasn't meant to offend anyone.

trainboundfornowhere · 23/07/2024 14:38

I live in a mixed area of serving military, ex military, teachers, accountants, construction workers, nursery nurses, care home staff and retail workers. We live in a cottage flat sometimes called a four in a block and the estate is predominately a mixture of flats and semidetached houses. The flats all have their own front and back gardens which are not shared with any other flat in the block. I have heard my downstairs neighbour losing it with their adult children (30s) twice through their ceiling our floor as we both have fireplaces and the chimney runs the length of the building and my neighbour on one side in a semi lose it once with her child (16) in the seven years I have lived here. I have never heard any couples argue.

Dearg · 23/07/2024 14:00

I have one neighbour who regularly screams at her husband in the early hours. He is a total dick though, so I can’t say I blame her. I have another neighbour who has shouting matches with his teenage son.
Dare say they hear me yelling to my deaf dog.
All houses are detached, but it’s a fairly quiet area.

mindutopia · 23/07/2024 13:48

We are so middle class that we don’t have neighbours in shouting distance. If we did, they would definitely hear us yelling at dc and dc yelling in general. 😬 Dh and I don’t ever have shouting arguments, but yes, I do shout at the kids to put their bloody shoes on for the 20th time and they do occasionally run outside in a strop shouting about how we ruin their lives by not doing some trivial thing they think is very important.

That said, yes, absolutely know loads of very dysfunctional middle class families where a lot of shouting and abuse goes on. But except for one who tried to kill his wife, it happens behind closed doors.

Dragonfly909 · 23/07/2024 13:42

I think some people who think of themselves as middle class are also more conscious of how other people view them, and therefore might try harder to conceal arguments than other people who aren't so bothered about perceptions.

I am middle class and do occasionally shout at the kids, then worry about the neighbours hearing! 😆

mummyrolling2014 · 23/07/2024 13:31

Barrol · 23/07/2024 01:20

Btw my point wasn’t that middle class people are less likely to argue just that they are quieter when they do so for whatever reason

Think this has hit the nail on the class issue. A lot of middle classes want to keep up with the Jones and give an impression they are clam respectable people but really want to scream at their children. They know they can't because they will be socially ostracised. Working classes are more accepting and less judgmental as a class - that's if we're going to divide the classes in this thread.

PontiacFirebird · 23/07/2024 10:27

The lack or privacy and personal space on social housing estates is something I’ve never forgotten

Goodness me. I’m never sure what people mean on MN when they say “social housing”? Do they mean council built estates? Or like supported accommodation of some kind? Because I live on a council estate and my house is quite roomy with a big garden! Have lived in places with much less privacy.
I like the sound of your street Dogstar78. That sounds comfy and normal
to me. I’d hate to be hissed at and called “Darling” instead of having a normal
row!

Incakewetrust · 23/07/2024 10:13

We live in a nice area but we're a stones throw away from a really shit one. Our road is used as a shortcut to the train station so I don't hear neighbours arguing but I do hear people in the middle of the night on their way to the trains from the pub

Sdpbody · 23/07/2024 09:13

We live in a very middle class area and have done for 5 years. We heard someone argue the other day and we all froze. We had never heard as much as a raised voice before.

I did however, grow up in a middle class area and they would have heard my dad being a shouty, argumentative man all the time.

yeesh · 23/07/2024 09:10

Of course only poor people shout & swear 🙄 not civilised middle class people. Grow up

MonsteraMama · 23/07/2024 09:08

I used to hear our neighbours bawling at eachother when we lived in a terrace. I still remember agonising over whether I should go over after hearing him scream at her for twenty minutes then storm out and I could just hear her crying 😢

We live in a more MC area now and I've never heard anyone arguing, but to be fair we live much further apart from our neighbours now and I don't make a habit of loitering at windows, so I probably just have fewer opportunities to hear them!

My vair, vair posh auntie never raises her voice because it's uncouth. Her and my uncle argue in vicious little hisses instead. So maybe the MC have mastered the art of the quiet row.

AuCo44 · 23/07/2024 09:07

Barrol · 22/07/2024 22:54

To anyone who is working class please just take this question in good faith. I’m trying to understand why I’m making a show of myself. I’m not trying to offend in the slightest.

See, that makes you sound even more ridiculously snobbish, addressing those posters who are working class, as if they are a separate species.

You’re probably known locally as the shouty sweary chavs who are lowering the tone, incidentally.

MartyFunkhouser · 23/07/2024 09:05

Never until we got new (very wealthy) neighbours. We’ve heard him shouting at his wife more than once. Swearing at her too. Have never heard a peep from her. It’s completely made me dislike him even though he’s a nice as pie to chat to.

FrancisSeaton · 23/07/2024 09:03

Oh well if you live in the Home Counties...

LondonPapa · 23/07/2024 09:02

honeylulu · 23/07/2024 07:25

Our former neighbours were proper posh (public school educated, owned horses and a grand piano etc) and they had some right vicious ding dongs. They're divorced now - he had an affair with the au pair and that was the final straw in a long line of infidelities. God knows what the women saw in him. He looked like the love child of Tweetie Pie and King Kong.

The rows would always be her berating him, on and on, then throwing things. Then eventually he'd flip and start bellowing back. Language was not then posh at all - cunt, fucking bitch etc. Awful.

Edited

Sounds about right for the public school educated. Especially the language. I fear people have the wrong idea sometimes and get an awful shock when they discover otherwise!

HillBillieEilish · 23/07/2024 09:01

I bet you never see them carrying their shopping in either but they definitely do it!

LondonPapa · 23/07/2024 09:00

Barrol · 22/07/2024 22:39

Never heard a single neighbour argue and it makes me so self conscious when DH and I do. Not that we argue often. Dh and I raised our voices earlier in the evening as we had very different opinions on how to approach ab annoying task we are getting through. All the windows were wide open. So embarrassed. It was only for 5 minutes.

Is it because we live in a middle class area in the Home Counties?

Just for context our cul de sac is described as sought after on house listings. Most people are professionals around here. Do these people just have calm discussions?

Have lived here for 10 years. Never heard a peep.

After discovering yesterday I'm surrounded by social housing, I don't feel I can talk but we haven't really heard shouting, not really. Only really when a child is being unbelievably naughty and you can hear the parent finally snap, otherwise, no.

Locutus2000 · 23/07/2024 08:52

Ilovegoldies · 23/07/2024 04:33

In defence of the OP I'm a former noise officer. I can confirm that complaints about people arguing only ever came from the less salubrious parts of town.

Really?

What an obnoxious thread.

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Exclusive: Neighbour records shouting and banging at flat MP shares with Carrie Symonds

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Kirstyshine · 23/07/2024 08:41

Lwrenn · 23/07/2024 01:35

Hi! I'm from what is known as the underclass originally 😂
I'm not offended, if you didn't shout when I grew up you didn't get heard 😂

I thought you'd like this -
When I moved into a nice area for the first time, no sofas in front gardens and burnt out cars blocking entries or people trying to sell you your clothes theyd pinched off your line bacm to you, i was quite surprised to hear my new neighbour being absolutely awful to what I assumed was his DW.
I heard him yelling and swearing and the next day when he went to work i knocked and asked her if she needed any help and told her (I've had abusive relationships myself) if she needed anything to knock if she was in danger and she was always welcome to my home. Blurted this out without taking a breath.
She looked at me like I had 5 heads.
I explained I heard him screaming at her and swearing. She looked really shocked and then realised what I was on about.
Turns out their fucking cat had kindly walked in through the flap late at night and gifted them a mostly, but not fully dead, mouse.
The "dirty little twat" he yelled was at their dcat and not the wife he dearly loved.

I became friendly with them both but still always cringe thinking about it.

I love this, @Lwrenn. I don’t think you’ve anything to cringe about: you sound kind, brave and willing to put yourself out for a woman you don’t know - you sound like the best sort of feminist.

Funnywonder · 23/07/2024 08:36

I suppose our area might be called middle class (we don't really talk in terms of class in NI, but we live in a quiet, suburban road) DP and I do argue. The problem is, when we have a disagreement, his voice gets louder almost immediately. He says it isn't loud, but it bloody well is. Our usually very quiet and pleasant neighbours have a stonking row about once every 3 or 4 months. Proper yelling, doors slamming etc. Our houses are semi detached, so perhaps if we lived in one of the detached properties further along the road, we wouldn't hear a thing😆

Nellodee · 23/07/2024 08:32

I remember going on euro camp holidays to France as a teen, all very middle class with wall to wall (canvas of course) teachers and social workers. You could hear everything. No shouting, but my God, I’ve never heard the word “darling” snarled more contemptuously than on those holidays.

Werweisswohin · 23/07/2024 08:17

People of all 'classes' argue.
Some folk just have bigger houses/more space between houses/thicker walls.

NeverHadHaveHas · 23/07/2024 08:16

Barrol · 23/07/2024 01:20

Btw my point wasn’t that middle class people are less likely to argue just that they are quieter when they do so for whatever reason

You need to just stop digging you’re making it worse 🙈