No holidays - carbon footprint

What is the issue with going on a cruise ship?

Any reduction is a reduction.

If someone is minded to reduce their carbon footprint, that's a positive action.

Oh yes. I see now. That’s true. I could cut down on flying but drive a massive car and eat red meat every day. That’s true. But, generally, the quickest and easiest way to cut your carbon footprint down massively is reduce or cut out flights as they are generally the highest bit of our carbon footprint.

If they are already own the SUV then not buying the flights is still better than also buying the flights.

Also owning an SUV doesn't change the impact of the flights. Only the size of their overall carbon footprint, so the absence of flights is still a reduction.

(Before you ask, no I don't own an SUV. Or any car).

I don’t give a flying fuck what others do..,.I certainly no guilt or shame! ….I been abroad by plane 3 times this year and will again and never give ‘ saving the planet a thought’…..but I certainly wouldn’t judge you for doing it…..you wouldn’t make me angry ….I mean why would you?

Yes. Me too. When I spoke to the organisation I said the same as you, but they didn’t rule it out. The employee gets a metaphorical rubber stamp that makes it look good as it’s doing more for the environment. Our Healthboard is doing more now and there was the very comprehensive report about the impact on health that the climate emergency is already having, soooooo you never know!!

Yes, we went to France on the train last year, it was brilliant! Comfortable, stress free and cheaper. Definitely looking into doing it again, but going on somewhere further probably once my daughter is older.

So still misunderstanding on purpose.

Any action to reduce is great. Any single action in isolation says nothing about a persons total carbon footprint.

I am no Greta but I do try and do my part. I have to fly once or twice a year within Europe for work but I don't eat meat, I don't have a car, I live in a small-ish well insulated apartment, I shop second hand for all clothes except underwear/sleepwear/gymwear, I recycle etc. I cycle or use public transport wherever I go and I would absolutely never, ever set foot on a cruise ship.

I don't think my few commercial flights a year make even a tiny bit of difference when you see celebrities taking private jets daily. Ditto a cruise with 3000 people vs a private yacht

But if they need the employees to fly as part of their job, they will want them to use the fastest way possible so they can be back in the office.

It’s cost us more to drive to Europe than fly. Way more than a cheap fly and flop to the Canaries.

Yeh right…..I’m nhs ….can’t even get a fecking pay rise 🤣🤣

I think if you look at the figures, flying is by far the highest form of transport.

its usually because they can't afford it.the only 2 families I knew who did this were't well off, one came into some cash and off they went 😂

There is an organisation that is trying to get employers to sign up to give extra leave if people travel slowly rather than flying. A way of encouraging people to fly less.

Wrong. It’s a cut assuming they didn’t also purchase a diesel SUV etc.

But that's their choice.

I'm making my choice, I think it's the right one, I'm not going to fly just because other people do.

Industrial farming and agriculture for it causes the biggest pollution. We could start there.

Because if we say it people get pissed off. A very close friend of mine literally shuts me down if I try and mention it. It’s like how it used to be when I said I was vegetarian or didn’t drink alcohol - people who eat lots of meat or drink lots of alcohol would see my choice to not as a criticism of their choice to eat meat/drink. It’s not. My choice is my choice. But it often triggers guilt or shame or something which gets directed back at me.

Thats why I don’t talk about it much. Sick of triggering anger (driven by shame and guilt probably)

So many people proclaiming to no longer fly due to environmental impact.... does that mean that there are less flights now? Because I don't think there is.
Maybe someone could have a look and do the maths on it.
The seat you are giving up is being taken by someone else.

This is unjustifiably dismissive.

If a person cuts their own carbon footprint by choosing not to fly, that's a cut.

Agree. Also have a large allotment and outside what we’ve pickled/jammed/chutney’d fresh fruit and veg is scarce.

So you not really ‘giving up something’ …..if you not bothered anyway….I don’t need to go abroad…..but I love going…..so many countries to see…..I don’t really consider any carbon footprint if I’m honest ….I’m vegetarian and drink almond milk….but not because I want to save the planet…. We are all different I guess

Not flying doesn't mean no holiday.
I'm sick of the narrative that it's only a holiday if you go abroad.