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No holidays - carbon footprint

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Teacherbee85 · 22/07/2024 21:04

I've noticed recently whenever anyone posts about flying to go on holiday they tend to get jumped on by people saying it's bad for the environment.

I don't think I know any of these people in real life - everyone I know goes on holiday at least twice a year.

But on mumsnet a lot of people seem to have stopped due to environmental reasons.

If this is you, when did you make the decision? How do you deal with family and friends who so still choose to fly regularly?

OP posts:
newtlover · 22/07/2024 22:23

DumbassHamsterSitterPerson · 22/07/2024 21:33

Not flying doesn't mean no holiday.
I'm sick of the narrative that it's only a holiday if you go abroad.

yes!!!!!

we haven't flown anywhere for years, and in fact never did much anyway
drive as little as possible, eat vegetarian and as local as possible etc generally low consumption
its really not a hardship
we still have holidays, still have fun

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 22:23

Kitkat1523 · 22/07/2024 22:07

Weird 🙄

Why?

Blisterly · 22/07/2024 22:19

Have friends who go on lots of flights, have some that will never fly. We all get on, none are judgemental. Some only eat meat (literally, they follow a very specific diet), some are vegan, some who use every cleaning product know to man, others more spit and sawdust. We’ve never fallen out over it, we’re friends, we understand each other and don’t judge. We do what works for our families and our ethics and don’t worry about what others do.

Kitkat1523 · 22/07/2024 22:15

Scottishgirl85 · 22/07/2024 22:07

We haven't been abroad since our honeymoon 13 years ago. But that's more down to having kids and spending money on extensions! We love holidaying in UK though.

But what about the rain? That’s what I can’t cope with….the uncertainly about whether it’s going to be fine or not….I love nothing feeling the sun on my face….swimming in the sea….I don’t go on holiday to be looking for indoor things to do….or wearing rain gear outdoors

OhMehGoddess · 22/07/2024 22:10

I don't have time to stop living my life. I do my bit, but I will not stop living and having enjoyment.

maddiemookins16mum · 22/07/2024 22:08

People on here don’t shower for 3 days to save the planet! Meanwhile back in the real world we shower every day and a lot of us fly somewhere every few years at least.

Scottishgirl85 · 22/07/2024 22:07

We haven't been abroad since our honeymoon 13 years ago. But that's more down to having kids and spending money on extensions! We love holidaying in UK though.

Kitkat1523 · 22/07/2024 22:07

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:54

I’m explaining why you might not hear people talking about their reasons for not flying. I don’t tend to because it pisses people off. I am not suggesting you are angry or would be. But, to be honest, and i say this with respect, your post does come across a little angry and, unless I’ve misread the tone, kind of proves my point. 😬

Weird 🙄

Justbecauseitmatters · 22/07/2024 22:05

I fly and go on cruises. No DC though by choice, so the flights and cruise holidays I take are more than negated by that.

DataColour · 22/07/2024 22:05

I know quite a few friends and their families that try and avoid flying now due to environmental reasons. It's not uncommon where we live. They also, us including, avoid unnecessary vehicle use and get around by cycling.

Moonflowered · 22/07/2024 22:04

Snowflakeinsummer · 22/07/2024 21:32

The people who eat local in the winter. What do you eat? Potatoes, carrots, onions and swede and spring greens.
We have an allotment and swede and onions are all we have left. I like kale but nobody else does, and I won’t eat the Brussels sprouts because of the amount of insects inside

Parsnip, many kinds of squash, kale, leeks, red cabbage, green cabbage, more kale, sprouts, broccoli. I love our winter veg box. It gets a bit samey but there's always plenty in there. I'd rather that than the April/May salad season.

TubeScreamer · 22/07/2024 22:04

I have quite a few friends who have stopped flying for environmental reasons. They would only have flown once a year though, typically.

Inyourgarden · 22/07/2024 22:01

I am reasonably environmentally aware, but I fly regularly. At least once a month, I’m currently abroad so will be flying week, relaxing for a couple of weeks then flying again.

I have 16 flights booked currently for the rest of this year and early next, and have taken I think 18 flights this year.

every single one of those planes is/was going to fly whether I am on it or not. I feel zero guilt and take a lot of pleasure from the flights themselves and the experiences enjoyed at the other end

DancefloorAcrobatics · 22/07/2024 22:01

Last year, I wanted to visit family in another European country... I know the rail link is good... think Eurostar to Paris then Paris to destination all on high speed trains. Add a local one ech end and it would have been around 10 hours, so durable. (Flight is roughly 6 hours door to door)
But the cost! Over £400.- for a return ticket!
I get a return flight for £60.- car parking and fuel £90.- onward journey £30.- ... so that's £180.- all in!
We need to make environmentally friendly travel a lot cheaper!

And no, I wouldn't stop travelling while I can and it's affordable. I'd be happy to take a train instead of a flight if the prices were compatible. I mean, I would even pay a bit more, but more than double is out of reach for me.

XenoBitch · 22/07/2024 22:01

Haveyougotallnight · 22/07/2024 21:58

Don't be daft, there's no limit is there!

I meant that for all the people saying they no longer fly... have airline companies said that less people are actually flying?
Are there some studies on this?

NowStartAgain · 22/07/2024 22:00

I know several families who don’t fly for environmental reasons. I don’t know anyone who does not travel though.

Countrydiary · 22/07/2024 21:58

Quick note that flying is a lot worse than other lifestyle choices due to where the emissions are released in the atmosphere. So if you produced the same amount of carbon driving an SUV around as by taking a flight, the flight would still be worse as it speeds up the greenhouse effect.

We do fly occasionally, not this year though, mainly for environmental reasons. I would never say that’s the reason we holiday in the UK though as I don’t want to guilt trip people in casual conversation generally! I think this could explain why more people admit their reasons online.

Haveyougotallnight · 22/07/2024 21:58

XenoBitch · 22/07/2024 21:36

So many people proclaiming to no longer fly due to environmental impact.... does that mean that there are less flights now? Because I don't think there is.
Maybe someone could have a look and do the maths on it.
The seat you are giving up is being taken by someone else.

Don't be daft, there's no limit is there!

RoachFish · 22/07/2024 21:57

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:56

Incredibly high carbon output. The worst type of holiday for it I think. I looked it up ages ago to see if it would be a good alternative to flying but was horrified.

Yes, they are really destroying our oceans like nothing else.

SelkieSeal · 22/07/2024 21:56

[waves]

I (and therefore my DC) don't fly, for environmental/ethical reasons.

Holidays in the UK only. I haven't left the UK since 2004 and that was on a ferry - I last flew in about 1983 when it wasn't exactly up to me how I travelled!

I also don't eat meat, for environmental reasons, and I live somewhere with shared resources/living spaces in order to try and lessen my environmental impact.

I do drive a car, but it's a small low emissions car, despite living in a rural area where a 4x4 would actually be justifiable and useful!

Curry0fthenight · 22/07/2024 21:56

I do not know anyone in real life that cuts down on holidays for green or environmental reasons

I will not reduce my holidays, I travel in UK & abroad

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:56

BoeJiden · 22/07/2024 21:52

What is the issue with going on a cruise ship?

Incredibly high carbon output. The worst type of holiday for it I think. I looked it up ages ago to see if it would be a good alternative to flying but was horrified.

DinnaeFashYersel · 22/07/2024 21:56

I know people who don't go on holiday abroad.

Two have family members with flying phobias
Others just cant afford foreign holidays.

I don't know anyone who doesn't go for environmental reasons.

bergamotorange · 22/07/2024 21:54

BoeJiden · 22/07/2024 21:52

What is the issue with going on a cruise ship?

They are really polluting, have high fuel consumption.

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:54

Kitkat1523 · 22/07/2024 21:47

I don’t give a flying fuck what others do..,.I certainly no guilt or shame! ….I been abroad by plane 3 times this year and will again and never give ‘ saving the planet a thought’…..but I certainly wouldn’t judge you for doing it…..you wouldn’t make me angry ….I mean why would you?

I’m explaining why you might not hear people talking about their reasons for not flying. I don’t tend to because it pisses people off. I am not suggesting you are angry or would be. But, to be honest, and i say this with respect, your post does come across a little angry and, unless I’ve misread the tone, kind of proves my point. 😬

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