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No holidays - carbon footprint

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Teacherbee85 · 22/07/2024 21:04

I've noticed recently whenever anyone posts about flying to go on holiday they tend to get jumped on by people saying it's bad for the environment.

I don't think I know any of these people in real life - everyone I know goes on holiday at least twice a year.

But on mumsnet a lot of people seem to have stopped due to environmental reasons.

If this is you, when did you make the decision? How do you deal with family and friends who so still choose to fly regularly?

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Snowflakeinsummer · 22/07/2024 21:32

The people who eat local in the winter. What do you eat? Potatoes, carrots, onions and swede and spring greens.
We have an allotment and swede and onions are all we have left. I like kale but nobody else does, and I won’t eat the Brussels sprouts because of the amount of insects inside

ButtSurgery · 22/07/2024 21:32

Never heard it in real life. I also don't know any UPF obsessives, but that seems to be rife here too.

Probably a mix of the teeny tinies and trolls tbh.

BarryCantSwim · 22/07/2024 21:31

This is one of those things that taken in isolation means nothing. Someone’s carbon footprint is far beyond where they holiday.

bergamotorange · 22/07/2024 21:31

Now I know the facts, I can’t just waste loads of carbon just for my fun. It just feels wrong and I wouldn’t enjoy it. Agree @WishIhadnotcome

I can't unknow, and I can't just pretend. I'm happy with my choices.

cariadlet · 22/07/2024 21:30

I know that I shouldn't fly for environmental reasons but still do. I have cut down though. I used to fly 6 times a year (every school holiday) and have cut it down to twice a year.

Friends and family vary from those who have completely stopped flying to those who have cut down to those who continue to fly as much as they have done in the past.

Kitkat1523 · 22/07/2024 21:30

leafybrew · 22/07/2024 21:16

We’re on holiday in Europe at the moment- have taken trains all the way. Partly because we like trains; partly avoiding planes for environmental reasons.

Good effort to all trying to reduce their carbon footprint.

I wouldn’t do a cruise either-.

I’m not ‘Greta’ but I think she’s got a point.

But so many places you can’t go ( well not unless you have loads and loads of leave)

CranfordScones · 22/07/2024 21:30

I try to lead a very low energy lifestyle. Don't fly, no car, don't eat meat. I try to use very little energy. In May my home energy bill was less than £32 (combined, including standing charges). Last month it was £39. In January it was £54.

Having said all that, a lot of use is actually systemic. In 2007, a class at MIT worked out the carbon footprint of a homeless person in the US, living off the grid but relying on infrastructure that depends on fossil fuels; it was still ten times more than someone living in sub-Saharan Africa. But that shouldn't be an excuse for being complacent.

brawhen · 22/07/2024 21:30

We fly very infrequently, for environmental reasons. For us a holiday by plane twice a year would 'not be worth the carbon'. We've flown about once every four years ish for the last 20 years. We do holiday in the UK.

I don't tell people why unless they ask - then I would just give an honest answer.

Downplayit · 22/07/2024 21:29

We try not to fly and will usually take the ferry and drive. But I definitely don't judge anyone who does. There are so many ways to reduce your carbon footprint so you just have to choose where you can make an impact.

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:28

Jsndidndnnd · 22/07/2024 21:23

We very rarely fly for holiday for environmental reasons. We went away via a flight last year, and it was the first time we had flown for holiday since 2016. No current plans to fly again, but I won’t say we never will. To answer about how we deal with other people who fly - I just don’t say anything to them about it. I think most people think we don’t fly because we don’t want to spend the money! If it ever comes up in conversation I just say something somewhat lighthearted about how I can’t cope with the guilt about my carbon footprint, or that I think my carbon footprint is big enough without adding extra flights.

It makes me feel a hypocrite but I’ll add it for transparency… At some points throughout that period I have flown quite a lot for work, and felt hugely guilty about it, and adding flights for pleasure just felt like too much. I have mentioned to work colleagues sometimes that the reason I don’t fly for pleasure is bcs my carbon footprint for work travel is big enough already, and some people have been quite shocked about it!

Similarly to you, I don’t mention it unless asked and people are often surprised that I even consider our carbon footprint.

It amazes me sometimes that friends of ours that are intelligent, well informed, caring and will do things like buy fair trade goods, don’t consider the impact of their carbon footprint. Especially as those they are trying to support and be fair to in buying fair trade are more likely to be hit first and worst by the climate emergency.

Elcad · 22/07/2024 21:27

A flight every three or four years. We travel locally and own one electric car (family of four). Our friends and family don't travel a lot except my brother who flights a least once a month for worko or holiday. I think it's not good for the planet but I don't say anything as I'm not perfect myself.

Haveyougotallnight · 22/07/2024 21:25

WalkingonWheels · 22/07/2024 21:18

We don't fly and don't intend to. If more people did the same then perhaps we could make a difference. The future of the planet is more important to me than holidays. Plus, I'm not one for "needing" to go somewhere abroad. It doesn't really interest me.

Well then it's hardly a hardship or forgoing it 'for the planet' then is it ..

WishIhadnotcome · 22/07/2024 21:25

bergamotorange · 22/07/2024 21:11

Hi <waves>

Don't fly for environmental reasons. Wouldn't go on a cruise either.

Ditto. Have flown twice in the past 12 years. Once for a funeral as there was no alternative and once for a holiday before we had given up completely.

We drive to Europe and stop along the way at different places. Or stay in UK - still so much to see. Considering train in Europe next year. I know people who have given up unnecessary flying too. One family did a train holiday through Europe with the kids last year and loved it. Another trained it to Croatia last year and doing Scandinavia this year. Such an adventure.

We have family in Australia so we will go there at some point to see them as they are getting older and there is no alternative to flying then.

Now I know the facts, I can’t just waste loads of carbon just for my fun. It just feels wrong and I wouldn’t enjoy it.

Jsndidndnnd · 22/07/2024 21:23

We very rarely fly for holiday for environmental reasons. We went away via a flight last year, and it was the first time we had flown for holiday since 2016. No current plans to fly again, but I won’t say we never will. To answer about how we deal with other people who fly - I just don’t say anything to them about it. I think most people think we don’t fly because we don’t want to spend the money! If it ever comes up in conversation I just say something somewhat lighthearted about how I can’t cope with the guilt about my carbon footprint, or that I think my carbon footprint is big enough without adding extra flights.

It makes me feel a hypocrite but I’ll add it for transparency… At some points throughout that period I have flown quite a lot for work, and felt hugely guilty about it, and adding flights for pleasure just felt like too much. I have mentioned to work colleagues sometimes that the reason I don’t fly for pleasure is bcs my carbon footprint for work travel is big enough already, and some people have been quite shocked about it!

x2boys · 22/07/2024 21:22

Bluevelvetsofa · 22/07/2024 21:16

Haven’t been abroad since 2008. Last flew in 2006. Mostly lack of money.

Same ,
In fact we didn't have a holiday anywhere in six years ,untoll a few weeks ago and we had a week in Norfolk.

WalkingonWheels · 22/07/2024 21:18

We don't fly and don't intend to. If more people did the same then perhaps we could make a difference. The future of the planet is more important to me than holidays. Plus, I'm not one for "needing" to go somewhere abroad. It doesn't really interest me.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 22/07/2024 21:17

I haven’t had a holiday abroad in years because of the environmental coats of flying. There is so much to see and do in the UK I don’t feel like I am missing out.

Family and friends still fly - that’s up to them.

I also have an electric car, solar panels and MVWH in the house.

But I am in the increasingly fortunate position that I have enough money to make this an easier choice. Plus we lived around the world and even though we kept flights to a minimum we still go to see some amazing places.

bergamotorange · 22/07/2024 21:17

Teacherbee85 · 22/07/2024 21:13

Are your partner/friends like minded?

Partner yes.
Friends - total spectrum from the same as me to fairly regular flights. I'm not going to lecture anyone but neither do I cover up why I don't fly, everyone knows.

Bluevelvetsofa · 22/07/2024 21:16

Haven’t been abroad since 2008. Last flew in 2006. Mostly lack of money.

leafybrew · 22/07/2024 21:16

We’re on holiday in Europe at the moment- have taken trains all the way. Partly because we like trains; partly avoiding planes for environmental reasons.

Good effort to all trying to reduce their carbon footprint.

I wouldn’t do a cruise either-.

I’m not ‘Greta’ but I think she’s got a point.

StoatofDisarray · 22/07/2024 21:14

My partner doesn't fly for green reasons, and hasn't done since the 90s. I probably fly about once every three years. We also don't own a car although there is very good public transport where we live. I've never learned how to drive.

Topofthemountain · 22/07/2024 21:13

I might say it, just as an alternative to the truth that I'm afraid to fly.

I trust nothing that defies gravity.

midgetastic · 22/07/2024 21:13

We holiday

But we don't fly every year

Flying every few years or less
And

Aim to keep total family's car mileage under 10k a year
Eat red meat no more than twice a month
Vegetarian meals during the week using local veg as a preference
Limit dairy
Very well insulated house - very low bills and very low gas footprint
Solar panels
Low spend - nothing new unless something has completely died

Aiming for low carbon footprint not zero - to get to zero is quite tricky by yourself but to get well below the uk typical carbon footprint is well possible

Scattery · 22/07/2024 21:13

I have family/friends who have cut back on flights (to the point where they fly about once every 2-3 years). We went on holiday last year to Europe via train. I loved it. I think some people equate "not flying" with "never leaving the country" for some reason.

Teacherbee85 · 22/07/2024 21:13

bergamotorange · 22/07/2024 21:11

Hi <waves>

Don't fly for environmental reasons. Wouldn't go on a cruise either.

Are your partner/friends like minded?

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