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To think if you're a teacher, you challenge any conspiracy theory nonsense in class?

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Datgal · 22/07/2024 16:38

I was wondering this recently. In aibu for traffic (debated chat).

However, I know a child who just copies what parent says about stuff. COVID doesn't exist, suncream is dangerous, and the latest one, Biden is a robot 🤣. Parents are flat earthers etc.

Anyway, in all seriousness I suppose this is how lunatics start off and you can't really blame them if they're being brought up with these views... I'd love to know that if you as a rational thinking teacher heard these, do you say anything? Or do you leave well alone...

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Kriscross · 22/07/2024 23:27

Smidgers · 22/07/2024 23:15

That wasn’t the OP’s question though was it?

To think if you're a teacher, you challenge any conspiracy theory nonsense in class?

This was the thread heading. TikTok and social media is full of speculation and young people watch and feed off this speculation. How would you deal with it as a teacher?

Likewise covid, was the virus spread deliberately? Did it exist? I’ll go back to the initial question that the OP asked…

How do you know how he died? Are the press reports accurate? Are the investigating officers corrupt? Did he steal a Rolex? Was he a drug mule?

So, as a teacher how would you answer a class of 30 young people?

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You don't answer every question.

However, you tell them that everything posted on Tic toc isn't true and anyone can post anything they make up.

Galoop · 22/07/2024 23:25

I don't think I'd bother, plus I think it's good for other children to hear other opinions even if they may be absurd!

KillerTomato7 · 22/07/2024 23:25

There are conspiracy theories, and then there are conspiracy theories. It’s one thing to have stupid ideas about sunblock. If you really want to give yourself skin cancer, who am I to stop you? But it’s another to start spouting off that the country is controlled by a secret cabal of Jewish bankers.

I think as teachers we’re obligated to speak up against someone in our classroom spewing hatred for others, which is what a number of conspiracy theories come down to.

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 23:24

OhMaria2 · 22/07/2024 22:59

Some of the conspiracies aren't conspiracies and the people saying that they are are simply ill informed.

Which ones do you think aren't conspiracies? Can you point a few out.....Will be interesting to see which ones you mean?

Covid not real?

Lizard people?

Chips in vaccines?

That all vaccinated people will be killed 2 years after taking the vaccine (that didn't age well).

That 'they' planned thd Microsoft recent outage so that "they" could test the system.

That 'they' are causing the rain this summer by 'cloud seeding '

Any you think are true....

Smidgers · 22/07/2024 23:15

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 22:38

We know he is dead and that the official authorities say his injuries are consistent with a fall. The rest is gossip and speculation

That wasn’t the OP’s question though was it?

To think if you're a teacher, you challenge any conspiracy theory nonsense in class?

This was the thread heading. TikTok and social media is full of speculation and young people watch and feed off this speculation. How would you deal with it as a teacher?

Likewise covid, was the virus spread deliberately? Did it exist? I’ll go back to the initial question that the OP asked…

How do you know how he died? Are the press reports accurate? Are the investigating officers corrupt? Did he steal a Rolex? Was he a drug mule?

So, as a teacher how would you answer a class of 30 young people?

sanogo · 22/07/2024 23:13

I sometimes look on the conspiracy subs on Reddit. Quite interesting

A lot of them think there was no third plane that hit the pentagon and that it was actually a missile for example

I wouldn't expect a teacher to get involved in them, most of them you can't disprove anyway

JFK got shot in the front of his throat but LHO was shooting from behind him. Work that one out

OhMaria2 · 22/07/2024 23:08

Datgal · 22/07/2024 16:38

I was wondering this recently. In aibu for traffic (debated chat).

However, I know a child who just copies what parent says about stuff. COVID doesn't exist, suncream is dangerous, and the latest one, Biden is a robot 🤣. Parents are flat earthers etc.

Anyway, in all seriousness I suppose this is how lunatics start off and you can't really blame them if they're being brought up with these views... I'd love to know that if you as a rational thinking teacher heard these, do you say anything? Or do you leave well alone...

Google suncream cancer, this is what they are talking about. Contamination of lots of suncream products with carcinogenic ingredients. It's not a conspiracy theory just because you think it sounds outlandish.

If a student told you that dead babies were used as vitamin pills what would you say? What would you say after you googled it?

Tell them you can't or won't discuss it and move on, it's not for you to say what's true or not if you haven't got time to fact check it yourself. It breeds mistrust in the students.
These are young people that are being lied to in the news everyday and they know they are because they can watch the truth being live streamed. Don't add to it

OperationGoldenDawn · 22/07/2024 23:02

@Datgal part of the issue is in the past some theories were actually true, so yes some seem omg, but then because others have been correct, its a mix

OhMaria2 · 22/07/2024 22:59

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 16:40

There are teachers that also believe some of those conspiracy theories. Why would you assume teachers are all aware of truth and fiction?

Some of the conspiracies aren't conspiracies and the people saying that they are are simply ill informed.

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 22:38

Smidgers · 22/07/2024 16:47

I was just about to post something similar.

@Datgal so how would you approach the conspiracy theories about Jay Slater? Absolutely no-one knows the truth so how do you challenge something like this?

We know he is dead and that the official authorities say his injuries are consistent with a fall. The rest is gossip and speculation

Stroopcoggle · 22/07/2024 20:41

If Biden is a robot, I think it’ll be a while before they take over.

FrippEnos · 22/07/2024 20:24

MigGirl · 22/07/2024 17:43

It's a tricky one really, teachers on the whole need to stick to the subject they are teaching. I've had to report a teacher for spending time discussing non topic issues in a classroom with his students. It feels wrong having to do so, but when they should be teaching subject A but are discussing politics for most of the lesson, which has nothing to do with subject A and is not their field of work it's not the right time or place for the discussion.

Teachers are in a position of trust and kids often look upto them. They do need to be careful how they approach some topics. It would be different if they where actually teaching that topic of course.

I agree that teaching critical thinking and learning how to source information is what we should be teaching students at school.

What were you doing in someone else's classroom?
And why were you there long enough to know what they taught for most of it?

There are some areas that it is worth diverting the the lesson for and I would argue that a good teacher can swing any topic back in to their subject area.

WonderingWanda · 22/07/2024 20:04

courgettes4eva · 22/07/2024 19:05

surely racism is actually escalated and taken very seriously?

Well yes if it is directed at a real life person but I was talking more about students making ignorant comments about places and people in our learning because they are repeating what they've heard at home, for example when teaching migration.

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 22/07/2024 19:21

I challenge it, yes. Usually with a comment about evidence and sources (they know this from their History lessons).
The only thing I wouldn't/couldn't touch was IDF/Hamas - we were told not to go near it with a 40ft pole.
I was asked whether a transwoman could have a baby the other day and that they'd read a transwoman had. I told them it was a biological impossibility as you'd need a uterus. That someone who identified as a transman and had kept their vagina and womb could but a transwoman could not.
I was on thin ice with that but no fallout.
I did get into trouble for being pro flu jabs. A parent complained that I was promoting vaccinations.

courgettes4eva · 22/07/2024 19:05

WonderingWanda · 22/07/2024 19:02

I'm a geography teacher I've yet to meet a flat earther but I have encountered lots of racism and xenophobia in lessons which I absolutely do challenge.

surely racism is actually escalated and taken very seriously?

WonderingWanda · 22/07/2024 19:02

I'm a geography teacher I've yet to meet a flat earther but I have encountered lots of racism and xenophobia in lessons which I absolutely do challenge.

Moontoboon · 22/07/2024 19:00

hildabaker · 22/07/2024 16:43

Geez, something else that is the responsibility of teachers to sort out. Shove a broom up my arse and I'll sweep the floor too while I'm there.

This made me laugh! Well said!

Sorry OP, but if you knew how every bloody initiative is put onto teachers, you would understand where this is coming from.

I’m not a teacher but my personal view is that it would be great if our education system taught the value of curiousity, how to evaluate evidence, critical thinking, and how to really listen and consider ( rather than just rebutt) what someone says. I think all of this would help, but no, I don’t thinks it’s the job of teachers to tell people what they should and should not think or believe.

sunflowrsngunpowdr · 22/07/2024 18:47

Shut it down! And then teach them the facts about how boys can become girls by just thinking it. 👌🏽

alfagirl73 · 22/07/2024 17:57

Kids should be taught HOW to think, not WHAT to think... if this is done well - by teachers and parents alike, then the child grows up with the ability to think through situations, arguments, theories etc... and form their own opinion which they can debate in a logical way. Sadly, far too many people are lacking in critical thinking skills and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

slummymummy24 · 22/07/2024 17:56

Interesting - I work with early years so haven't been questioned like this! However, I would say that I discuss these topics with DC and try to get them to think rationally and challenge/work out how to think critically but always vocal against racism and sexism. Also that they have the right to say if they do not like what others are saying - either outright or just politely remove themselves from the situation...

AllstarFacilier · 22/07/2024 17:48

I’ve never had any students who seriously believe in any conspiracies like the ones listed, but u wouldn’t be able to keep a straight face if they told me Biden was a robot. Covid brought about quite a few health opinions that I steered away from.

Jennyathemall · 22/07/2024 17:47

MigGirl · 22/07/2024 17:43

It's a tricky one really, teachers on the whole need to stick to the subject they are teaching. I've had to report a teacher for spending time discussing non topic issues in a classroom with his students. It feels wrong having to do so, but when they should be teaching subject A but are discussing politics for most of the lesson, which has nothing to do with subject A and is not their field of work it's not the right time or place for the discussion.

Teachers are in a position of trust and kids often look upto them. They do need to be careful how they approach some topics. It would be different if they where actually teaching that topic of course.

I agree that teaching critical thinking and learning how to source information is what we should be teaching students at school.

I disagree, teachers should take every chance to debate topical issues (as long as it’s not to the detriment of the curriculum). In face civilised fact based debating is arguably the most important skill to teach anyone.

Datgal · 22/07/2024 17:46

Yes! That's what it's all about isn't it? Opening up the discussion. And I suppose the other kids do help in getting your points across when you can't. Thanks to all the teachers 🙌

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MigGirl · 22/07/2024 17:43

It's a tricky one really, teachers on the whole need to stick to the subject they are teaching. I've had to report a teacher for spending time discussing non topic issues in a classroom with his students. It feels wrong having to do so, but when they should be teaching subject A but are discussing politics for most of the lesson, which has nothing to do with subject A and is not their field of work it's not the right time or place for the discussion.

Teachers are in a position of trust and kids often look upto them. They do need to be careful how they approach some topics. It would be different if they where actually teaching that topic of course.

I agree that teaching critical thinking and learning how to source information is what we should be teaching students at school.

JudgeJ · 22/07/2024 17:40

TooTiredOfThisShit · 22/07/2024 16:48

Anything potentially dangerous (Andrew tate/incel type talk) would be shut down if necessary, and referred to DSL. But I'm not getting involved in a spontaneous debate when I'm meant to be teaching simultaneous equations.

Years ago someone tried to derail my lesson on some issue that was de rigueur at the time and I said it was all the square root of negative one. I also wouldn't get involve in the identity and pronoun nonsense were I still teaching, if people want to improve standards in schools then let teachers concentrate on their job rather than the current bandwagon.

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