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To think if you're a teacher, you challenge any conspiracy theory nonsense in class?

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Datgal · 22/07/2024 16:38

I was wondering this recently. In aibu for traffic (debated chat).

However, I know a child who just copies what parent says about stuff. COVID doesn't exist, suncream is dangerous, and the latest one, Biden is a robot 🤣. Parents are flat earthers etc.

Anyway, in all seriousness I suppose this is how lunatics start off and you can't really blame them if they're being brought up with these views... I'd love to know that if you as a rational thinking teacher heard these, do you say anything? Or do you leave well alone...

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neverbeenskiing · 23/07/2024 16:18

So what if you have a student who expresses the belief that the holocaust didn't happen?

I have been in this exact situation. Holocaust denial is considered a red flag for possible extremism so we had to make a Prevent referral.

Where a student expresses beliefs that are so extreme they raise a safeguarding concern then all staff in schools should know exactly what to do as there is a clear protocol to follow. When the views expressed are bizarre but not anything that could he interpreted as hate speech, or evidence that they/others may be at risk, then it's more up to the discretion of the individual teacher.

Datgal · 23/07/2024 16:17

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 11:51

I agree. It's being used as a tool by ne'er do wells ( sorry, toddler-tired, can't think of a better word right now) a little sprinkle of truth and a can't you see they're lying to you...

Yes 100%. And it's only getting worse with deep fake stuff.
I don't know what the answer is.
I was talking to my partner about it.

When the government were playing these culture wars and getting us to hate anyone on benefits (as that's where everyone's tax is going) etc etc, you can see why people believe all the lies.
But as I said to him, as long as there's more rational normal thinking people in this world who aren't full of hatred, then we should be ok.

But I don't know. I don't hold out much hope for the future (likes of trump, farage getting foot holds).

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Datgal · 23/07/2024 16:12

Also... just the sheer hypocrisy of believing certain stuff...
So sun cream gives you cancer yeah, but you're happy chugging on a prime drink? Go and look up about that and see how you like those apples?... they won't have it.
It's just stuff they're regurgitating as they're hearing it from adults/online wherever.
But I suppose that's where ideas about stuff and beliefs stem from isn't it?
I mean grown adults believe shite they read in the daily fail don't they? 'don't let the foreigners in, they're taking all our jobs and houses' 😱...so what hope have our kids got?!
And if anyone thinks biden is a robot, I'm sorry. It's friggin bonkers 🤣 and you need help

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Datgal · 23/07/2024 16:03

https://www.cancer.org.au/iheard/are-chemical-sunscreens-safe-to-use

Well, it's all about weighing up the risks. That link from the Aussie cancer council seems to suggest it doesn't cause harm.

But to simply just come out with 'sun cream gives you cancer ' is rubbish. Some possibly can. But it's scaremongering rubbish and probably saves more lives than it ruins.

Are chemical sunscreens safe to use?

Australia has one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world but are chemical sunscreens safe to use? Find out the facts from Cancer Council here

https://www.cancer.org.au/iheard/are-chemical-sunscreens-safe-to-use

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OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 11:51

Kriscross · 23/07/2024 08:46

The problem most have is, do they trust their teacher, the news, a tic toc with lots of 'followers', youtubers, their mates friends and family, Joe bloggs down the pub, random articles they find online 😉.

Lots of adults struggle and believe anything, it's easy for some 'influencers' to influence and its easy to persuade some people allsorts is true, if you add a few grains of truth... then expand with nonsense. Happens all the time. Fear and mistrust grows.

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I agree. It's being used as a tool by ne'er do wells ( sorry, toddler-tired, can't think of a better word right now) a little sprinkle of truth and a can't you see they're lying to you...

BloodyAdultDC · 23/07/2024 09:36

I used to teach RE.

One year 7 assessment I marked was full of such hatred and vitriol from a (white, British) child against Muslims - post 9/11 but this kid wasn't even born when it happened, and so far from the topics we'd covered that it sparked a huge safeguarding and Respect investigation. This was definitely an opinion he'd picked up at home and was a huge concern.

We did do a huge series of lessons about conspiracies after that, the curriculum around school pshe was updated as a direct result.

Any teacher worth their salt can at least challenge a conspiracy theory, challenge the student to back up their claims, and challenge them to research properly rather than rely on heresay, online trolls and other bs sources.

Tmpnmc86 · 23/07/2024 09:09

So the conspiracy theory about weather modification seems to be that it's not a brilliant and harmless idea.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2NvR0jxKdKx559K9XWRdLlG/could-climate-modification-save-the-planet

Tmpnmc86 · 23/07/2024 08:58

KillerTomato7 · 22/07/2024 23:25

There are conspiracy theories, and then there are conspiracy theories. It’s one thing to have stupid ideas about sunblock. If you really want to give yourself skin cancer, who am I to stop you? But it’s another to start spouting off that the country is controlled by a secret cabal of Jewish bankers.

I think as teachers we’re obligated to speak up against someone in our classroom spewing hatred for others, which is what a number of conspiracy theories come down to.

https://www.breastcancer.org/risk/risk-factors/exposure-to-chemicals-in-sunscreen

Some sensible ideas for people who want to decrease reliance on sunblock.

Exposure to Chemicals in Sunscreen

While chemicals can protect us from the sun's harmful ultraviolet rays, research strongly suggests that at certain exposure levels, some of the chemicals in some sunscreen products may cause cancer in people.

https://www.breastcancer.org/risk/risk-factors/exposure-to-chemicals-in-sunscreen

Kriscross · 23/07/2024 08:46

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 08:07

It quite literally is often a case of simply googling it. And people won't.

The problem most have is, do they trust their teacher, the news, a tic toc with lots of 'followers', youtubers, their mates friends and family, Joe bloggs down the pub, random articles they find online 😉.

Lots of adults struggle and believe anything, it's easy for some 'influencers' to influence and its easy to persuade some people allsorts is true, if you add a few grains of truth... then expand with nonsense. Happens all the time. Fear and mistrust grows.

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 08:07

Outwiththenorm · 23/07/2024 08:03

As if it’s enough to just do a ‘simple Google search’.

It quite literally is often a case of simply googling it. And people won't.

Outwiththenorm · 23/07/2024 08:03

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 07:05

Shutting down discussion of real things breeds conspiracy theories and mistrust

All of the things I've posted are absolutely true and easily verifiable within two seconds of a simple Google search. I deliberately included ludicrous sounding ones. Yet its met with suspicion and a begrudging 'a grain of truth'. What would a clued up student make of that?

Asking why do you think that? is better, you learn something everytime. Whether that's something you didn't know, or more importantly what a student is thinking, where they are getting their information from etc.

As if it’s enough to just do a ‘simple Google search’.

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 07:20

Wallaw · 23/07/2024 06:02

So what if you have a student who expresses the belief that the holocaust didn't happen?

@OhMaria2

When you say 'dead baby vitamin pills', do you mean this? If so, it was an absolutely disgusting and dodgy criminal enterprise, hardly a conspiracy.

abcnews.go.com/Health/chinese-made-infant-flesh-capsules-seized-korea/story?id=16296176

Miss! Miss! They put dead babies in the vitamin pills!

No they don't! that's a ridiculous conspiracy theory!

That will be the exchange. I've been called a conspiracy theorist for knowing about the above and many other entirely true things. Why? Where is that coming from? It's particularly annoying when discussing current atrocities not widely shown in our news. Imagine being a young person and dealing with these attitudes

Also it fits the actual definition of conspiracy.

Purplepeoniesdroppingpetals · 23/07/2024 07:08

I did once get told that covid jabs would make you magnetic and the kid had this gem from TikTok (totally trustworthy news source according to a year 9). I tried in vain to stick metal things to my arm - even she laughed and we had a useful chat about critical thinking and realism as a class.

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 07:05

Kriscross · 23/07/2024 05:30

I've not heard of lots of them. I think a grain of truth is easily exaggerated into more if someone wants to, has an agenda and has a YouTube or tic toc following. It doesn't follow that what is claimed is entirely true though.

Shutting down discussion of real things breeds conspiracy theories and mistrust

All of the things I've posted are absolutely true and easily verifiable within two seconds of a simple Google search. I deliberately included ludicrous sounding ones. Yet its met with suspicion and a begrudging 'a grain of truth'. What would a clued up student make of that?

Asking why do you think that? is better, you learn something everytime. Whether that's something you didn't know, or more importantly what a student is thinking, where they are getting their information from etc.

Wallaw · 23/07/2024 06:02

So what if you have a student who expresses the belief that the holocaust didn't happen?

@OhMaria2

When you say 'dead baby vitamin pills', do you mean this? If so, it was an absolutely disgusting and dodgy criminal enterprise, hardly a conspiracy.

abcnews.go.com/Health/chinese-made-infant-flesh-capsules-seized-korea/story?id=16296176

OfTheNight · 23/07/2024 05:42

Who decides what’s crazy though? I think religion is as mad as Flat Earth, but I can’t challenge that.

I just ignore and redirect. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. We have to tolerate alsorts from learners, a bit of Chemtrail/Illuminati/Covid was faked is the least of our worries.

Kriscross · 23/07/2024 05:30

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 01:01

In no date order or order of importance, things people have said are silly silly conspiracy theories

Weapons of Mass Destruction not existing.
Mass surveillance of the population by western governments.
All of the plots to other throw governments by the cia.
Consent free human experimentation in various countries including sticking radiation rods into women's vaginas (USA)
Pedophile elites/child trafficking. And the cover ups and lack of arrests
UK government keeping files on teaching assistants, librarians, climate activists and no, seriously, x files fans. You name it, they'll spy on it.
Western news outlets conspiring to cover up war crimes of allies beginning with I. And their own!
Cloud seeding/ weather manipulation.
Criminal behaviours of pharmaceutical companies.
Facial recognition in electronic billboards!
Light bulb cartels!
Dead baby vitamin pills!

How outlandish is too outlandish to be true?

I've not heard of lots of them. I think a grain of truth is easily exaggerated into more if someone wants to, has an agenda and has a YouTube or tic toc following. It doesn't follow that what is claimed is entirely true though.

KillerTomato7 · 23/07/2024 03:36

beeloubee · 23/07/2024 03:00

What makes you think that you are right and that they are wrong? The child is entitled to their opinion. Don't try and enforce your views on them.

That only makes sense in a world where absolutely everything is an opinion, regardless of empirical evidence. In that case, I guess we should just let the students write anything they want on maths exams. After all, what makes the teacher think they are right and the student is wrong?

beeloubee · 23/07/2024 03:00

Datgal · 22/07/2024 16:38

I was wondering this recently. In aibu for traffic (debated chat).

However, I know a child who just copies what parent says about stuff. COVID doesn't exist, suncream is dangerous, and the latest one, Biden is a robot 🤣. Parents are flat earthers etc.

Anyway, in all seriousness I suppose this is how lunatics start off and you can't really blame them if they're being brought up with these views... I'd love to know that if you as a rational thinking teacher heard these, do you say anything? Or do you leave well alone...

What makes you think that you are right and that they are wrong? The child is entitled to their opinion. Don't try and enforce your views on them.

Edingril · 23/07/2024 01:06

Schools can't do everything they are there to do their job not be replacement parents because it seems a lot of parents can't rub two brain cells together these days

OhMaria2 · 23/07/2024 01:01

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 23:24

Which ones do you think aren't conspiracies? Can you point a few out.....Will be interesting to see which ones you mean?

Covid not real?

Lizard people?

Chips in vaccines?

That all vaccinated people will be killed 2 years after taking the vaccine (that didn't age well).

That 'they' planned thd Microsoft recent outage so that "they" could test the system.

That 'they' are causing the rain this summer by 'cloud seeding '

Any you think are true....

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In no date order or order of importance, things people have said are silly silly conspiracy theories

Weapons of Mass Destruction not existing.
Mass surveillance of the population by western governments.
All of the plots to other throw governments by the cia.
Consent free human experimentation in various countries including sticking radiation rods into women's vaginas (USA)
Pedophile elites/child trafficking. And the cover ups and lack of arrests
UK government keeping files on teaching assistants, librarians, climate activists and no, seriously, x files fans. You name it, they'll spy on it.
Western news outlets conspiring to cover up war crimes of allies beginning with I. And their own!
Cloud seeding/ weather manipulation.
Criminal behaviours of pharmaceutical companies.
Facial recognition in electronic billboards!
Light bulb cartels!
Dead baby vitamin pills!

How outlandish is too outlandish to be true?

Moonshiners · 22/07/2024 23:39

hildabaker · 22/07/2024 16:43

Geez, something else that is the responsibility of teachers to sort out. Shove a broom up my arse and I'll sweep the floor too while I'm there.

Surely it's the responsibility of everyone to counter this bollocks when you hear it. It's dangerous. Would you not do the same for racism, sexism etc it all leads to radicalisation which is dangerous all round

MigGirl · 22/07/2024 23:35

FrippEnos · 22/07/2024 20:24

What were you doing in someone else's classroom?
And why were you there long enough to know what they taught for most of it?

There are some areas that it is worth diverting the the lesson for and I would argue that a good teacher can swing any topic back in to their subject area.

I'm support staff, so oddly enough sometimes in a teachers classroom with them. And it certainly had nothing to do with the lesson they where supposed to be teaching. If it had only happened once I may not have said anything, but it happened on a number of occasions. Totally unprofessional, oddly enough they didn't do it again after I'd reported it.

Kriscross · 22/07/2024 23:28

KillerTomato7 · 22/07/2024 23:25

There are conspiracy theories, and then there are conspiracy theories. It’s one thing to have stupid ideas about sunblock. If you really want to give yourself skin cancer, who am I to stop you? But it’s another to start spouting off that the country is controlled by a secret cabal of Jewish bankers.

I think as teachers we’re obligated to speak up against someone in our classroom spewing hatred for others, which is what a number of conspiracy theories come down to.

I agree. Basic spreading of hated needs calling out. Some of the conspiracy theories such as lizard people running the world... 🤣