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To worry for Kamala Harris - woman, half black, half Asian, married to a Jewish man

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Whenwillitgetwarm · 22/07/2024 11:26

I really really hope her and her family have the strongest mental resilience for the racism, misogyny and anti-semitism which will come towards her and them, just for the crime of running for president.

Yes she’s been a bit of a wallflower and we haven’t seen much of her whilst VP but maybe that will change now she’s out on her own. She’s had a successful career as a lawyer and seems nice.

Personally I’m going to avoid listening/watching American politics in the run up to the election as I think I’d be too anxious. Many people seem to treat politics like a football rivalry these days. But if she were to win, it would be so inspiring for so many girls around the world.

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crackofdoom · 22/07/2024 23:41

blueberryforest · 22/07/2024 12:33

I've never understood the obsession with having the first of the various different 'identity groups' in political office. If it happens because the politician is the best one trying for the job, that's wonderful, but too often they're pushed on us simply because of their race, sex, or other similar trait that shouldn't come into the question at all.

Harris isn't popular among most Americans I know, but the reasons people object to her have nothing to do with her sex, race, or the fact that her husband is Jewish (something I wasn't even aware of before reading it here, tbh). She leaves much to be desired in the matters that count.

You've hit the nail on the head there. I for one am sick of having mediocre politicians pushed on us just because they happen to be male and white. There's a whole world of untapped talent out there.

....that's what you meant, right?

thisisasurvivor · 22/07/2024 23:38

You worry about killer Kamala?

She is a fcking war criminal

Her and genocide Joe

Quite the legacy

LaWench · 22/07/2024 23:37

I'd be utterly amazed if the USA vote for a female President. The misogyny is far too rampant.

Moonshiners · 22/07/2024 23:35

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 12:15

If Trump's supporters throw anti semetism at her then they'd do well to remember Trump's daughter Ivanka and SIL are practising Jews. She could easily rally that one back!

I think she should stand proud, no hand wringing about being a black woman. Go all in and lean into her strengths. She's got a good strategic position to leverage against an adjudicated sexual abuser who is a convicted felon looking to take away women's reproductive rights.

Maybe now is the time!

Hopefully she won't be so disgusting as to go to identity politics.
Trump is such a narcissist he will say and do anything to keep himself popular. I genuinely don't understand how people can fall for his bollocks.

BruFord · 22/07/2024 23:33

It’s a very real issue to get people to vote
Yes, it is, especially when the Republicans actively restrict certain demographics from doing so.

@CJsGoldfish I have heard this, but I live in a very Blue area and I’m not familiar with what’s happened. Can you explain?

ThatMauveSnake · 22/07/2024 23:32

OhMaria2 · 22/07/2024 23:13

Trumps supporters are pro israel fanatics, they think they can do no wrong on a biblical level. Who on Earth is trying to say that lot are anti semitic?

Trump’s coalition also includes those “Jews will not replace us” folk.

It’s a broad church of arseholes.

Oh and let’s not forget about the Jewish space lasers.

RazzaRazza · 22/07/2024 23:32

Kamala had a run for the Dem party nomination/presidency in 2020 and really it was embarrassing and catastrophic – too many people have short memories plus it’s also unfortunate she was effectively a ‘diversity hire’ as others have mentioned, without Biden’s pity picking her for VP she would never in a million years have been anywhere close to the White House. Hilary Clinton showed a woman president is not far away at all, yes she had the Clinton name but she was formidable in her own right. Kamala is not formidable (and even Trump would relish taking her on in debates, she speaks in incomplete sentences and rambles on worse than he does).
Bottom line is Kamala (a bit like Angela Rayner to KS) is good to have as VP/deputy but they do not have widespread enough appeal themselves to get the votes outright to be President/PM and in the real world many people do know this regardless of the good ‘optics’ of a woman leading [the ticket]. Gretchen Whitmer would be a way stronger woman to take the fight to Trump.

OhMaria2 · 22/07/2024 23:13

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 12:15

If Trump's supporters throw anti semetism at her then they'd do well to remember Trump's daughter Ivanka and SIL are practising Jews. She could easily rally that one back!

I think she should stand proud, no hand wringing about being a black woman. Go all in and lean into her strengths. She's got a good strategic position to leverage against an adjudicated sexual abuser who is a convicted felon looking to take away women's reproductive rights.

Maybe now is the time!

Trumps supporters are pro israel fanatics, they think they can do no wrong on a biblical level. Who on Earth is trying to say that lot are anti semitic?

LifeExperience · 22/07/2024 23:06

There are good reasons not to support Harris that don't involve racism or misogyny. Trump's already up 11 points over her. That translates into a popular vote win and an electoral college landslide.

The American people know Kamala. They don't like her because she's incompetent, not because she's a woman of color, and it's an insult that the Democrats allowed her to get as far as she has.

CJsGoldfish · 22/07/2024 22:59

VP Harris has not had a strong term and her background is problematic. Namely, she had an affair with the mayor of San Fran which is apparently why she got the prosecutor job
The MAGA nuts trotted this out again immediately. In fact, there are a lot of sexist and racist comments on this thread that are straight out of the MAGA playbook 🙄
Anyway, she had a brief relationship with a man who had been separated from his wife for over a decade. It was quite public and he was not mayor of San Fran at the time. As the political powerhouse he was, he influenced a LOT of careers but it seems that it is the women who seem to attract such vitriol.

Is this like her drinking problem, that I have not found anything on
This is another MAGA one but I've heard it aimed at other women, most often Nancy Pelosi who they LOATHE

she hasn’t been the victim of racism or misogyny so far, so there’s no reason to suppose that will change
For realz? 😆

She’s very mediocre, her sex and race have advantaged her in her career above her capabilities. If she were white and male she just wouldn’t be where she is. She isn’t a good speaker and seems to regularly get her arse handed to her. She can’t keep staff and is rumoured to be a bully. Just saying
Change the she to a he and you're talking about Trump. Except being white and male (and wealthy) got him where he is. Just sayin'

I mean for goodness sake even Michelle Obama had that and she wasn’t even running herself
You mean Michael? 🙄

It’s a very real issue to get people to vote
Yes, it is, especially when the Republicans actively restrict certain demographics from doing so

This thread is steeped in sexism, racism, internalised and overt misogyny. So depressing

PassThePeaceAndQuiet · 22/07/2024 22:35

My mother doesn't think a women should be president. For years she also didn't want a female doctor... until she got one... and then was gobsmacked at how much better she was listened to!

I vote absentee in a swing state (not Trump) and my parents vote Republican (even Trump) in a traditionally blue state.

My last visit home was recent instead of lovely October because I couldn't face it in election run up

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 22:28

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:53

Are you even reading my post? I said that being better than Trump wouldn’t make her an actually good president, and you’re replying as if I said she’d be worse than Trump, or equally bad.

Food poisoning is better than cyanide poisoning, but it would be stupid to pretend that food poisoning is good just because cyanide poisoning is worse. I hope the Democrats pick a different nominee.

Are you okay? (head tilt)

I think you need a little lie down.

Parker231 · 22/07/2024 22:14

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:27

I’d be more worried for Americans, who might end up with Kamala Harris as president.

“She’d be better than Trump!” Okay, but that doesn’t mean she’d be a truly good president. I think this piece is a good rundown of all the issues with her as a politician.

reason.com/2024/07/21/its-been-easy-to-forget-how-bad-kamala-harris-is/

Anyone is better than Trump. You’d think with the size of the US population that there were more options as candidates. The rest of the world will be pleased today that one candidate is a well educated competent woman whilst the other, a criminal who behaves like a spoilt child.

WildLemur · 22/07/2024 22:09

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:53

Are you even reading my post? I said that being better than Trump wouldn’t make her an actually good president, and you’re replying as if I said she’d be worse than Trump, or equally bad.

Food poisoning is better than cyanide poisoning, but it would be stupid to pretend that food poisoning is good just because cyanide poisoning is worse. I hope the Democrats pick a different nominee.

I think Biden sticking around for as long as he did means that it pretty much has to be Harris.

It's not ideal but we're in "making the nest of a bad situation" territory.

Aintnosupermum · 22/07/2024 21:55

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:27

I’d be more worried for Americans, who might end up with Kamala Harris as president.

“She’d be better than Trump!” Okay, but that doesn’t mean she’d be a truly good president. I think this piece is a good rundown of all the issues with her as a politician.

reason.com/2024/07/21/its-been-easy-to-forget-how-bad-kamala-harris-is/

That is the US system. You voting for a party or against the other party as there are only two parties.

Let’s be clear, for the swing voters, they are less likely to vote against Trump compared to those who would willingly vote for the Democrat nominee.

It’s a very real issue to get people to vote. She has her work cut out. If not enough people vote, she will lose. She needs to hit on abortion, education, childcare and women’s rights.

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:53

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 21:32

Has she advised US citizens to inject disinfectant to ward off covid? has she taken Top Secret nuclear documents and stored them in her toilet after she left office? has she directed a baying mob to storm the Capitol Building and hang her own VP?

No, thought not. She's got some catching up to do to get into the same league of utter lunacy and chaos that is Trump.

Are you even reading my post? I said that being better than Trump wouldn’t make her an actually good president, and you’re replying as if I said she’d be worse than Trump, or equally bad.

Food poisoning is better than cyanide poisoning, but it would be stupid to pretend that food poisoning is good just because cyanide poisoning is worse. I hope the Democrats pick a different nominee.

eatentoomanygrapes · 22/07/2024 21:40

OneTC · 22/07/2024 12:11

Heard Nigel Farage on LBC this morning saying he didn't think people would vote for a "black African woman"

He's such a fucking revolting specimen, worse than his NF name sakes

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Er, is he not just calling out the prejudice that this very thread references, without mincing his words? It’s true, large swathes of America probably wouldn’t want to vote for her, because of sexism and racism.

EasternStandard · 22/07/2024 21:39

No idea if she’ll win but she’s fine to run and will deal with what comes with it:

Countrylife2002 · 22/07/2024 21:37

I honestly think this could be the last US election if Trump wins.

Harris isn’t perfect but she’s not an autocrat.

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 21:32

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:27

I’d be more worried for Americans, who might end up with Kamala Harris as president.

“She’d be better than Trump!” Okay, but that doesn’t mean she’d be a truly good president. I think this piece is a good rundown of all the issues with her as a politician.

reason.com/2024/07/21/its-been-easy-to-forget-how-bad-kamala-harris-is/

Has she advised US citizens to inject disinfectant to ward off covid? has she taken Top Secret nuclear documents and stored them in her toilet after she left office? has she directed a baying mob to storm the Capitol Building and hang her own VP?

No, thought not. She's got some catching up to do to get into the same league of utter lunacy and chaos that is Trump.

YankSplaining · 22/07/2024 21:27

I’d be more worried for Americans, who might end up with Kamala Harris as president.

“She’d be better than Trump!” Okay, but that doesn’t mean she’d be a truly good president. I think this piece is a good rundown of all the issues with her as a politician.

reason.com/2024/07/21/its-been-easy-to-forget-how-bad-kamala-harris-is/

BIossomtoes · 22/07/2024 21:26

Pouche · 22/07/2024 20:29

Hmm I’m half Indian also. I find this stance really patronising personally. I know this offends some people. But that is how I feel. My brown (ish) skin makes you feel sorry for me? Please. I worry about the ignorant!

UK born for context

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You’re not standing for president of a racist country, are you?

Couldn’t agree more @DarkandStormyNightie. 👏🏻

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 22/07/2024 21:20

She's raised 81 million dollars in 24 hours, I think she will be just fine.

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 20:59

All those saying Trump will win have forgotten two things.

1- She hasn't come out swinging yet as a presidential candidate. Being a VP and being POTUS candidate are very different prospects. If she can better Biden's state of the union address and hit all the political hotspots (women's reproductive rights, global security, economy and call out her opponent as a lying convicted felon who sexually abuses women) she is going to roar into life. I think she can do it.

2-Trump has not yet been sentenced. He could very well do some jail time. When you see a 78 year old convicted felon who is currently serving time compared against a vibrant, much younger, articulate opponent, who isn't a convicted felon, the contrast is going to be very stark indeed. We haven't even got to this point yet.

We could be witnessing a turning point in history and I for one would love for Trump to sit in a jail cell thinking because of me there is now a black woman serving as President of the United States. That would be something to see.

AzureAnt · 22/07/2024 20:51

She is a strong high powered professional woman. I don't think you need worry to much about her

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