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To worry for Kamala Harris - woman, half black, half Asian, married to a Jewish man

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Whenwillitgetwarm · 22/07/2024 11:26

I really really hope her and her family have the strongest mental resilience for the racism, misogyny and anti-semitism which will come towards her and them, just for the crime of running for president.

Yes she’s been a bit of a wallflower and we haven’t seen much of her whilst VP but maybe that will change now she’s out on her own. She’s had a successful career as a lawyer and seems nice.

Personally I’m going to avoid listening/watching American politics in the run up to the election as I think I’d be too anxious. Many people seem to treat politics like a football rivalry these days. But if she were to win, it would be so inspiring for so many girls around the world.

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WildLemur · 23/07/2024 22:31

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 22:20

She has achieved nothing whilst in office.

Her comments on the Israel-Gaza situation are concerning.

I am not pro- trump. But KH is really not up to the job. It’s worrying.

Most Vice President's don't achieve anything of note, that's the nature of the office.

What comments on Israel and Palestine concern you?

bitesthedust · 23/07/2024 22:24
CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 22:20

She has achieved nothing whilst in office.

Her comments on the Israel-Gaza situation are concerning.

I am not pro- trump. But KH is really not up to the job. It’s worrying.

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 22:07

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 21:51

What ..like how a doctor can diagnose a patient without physically examining them? Nope.

Of course physically going to the border would be helpful to determine the situation there and ways to address it. And the numbers don’t lie- the border issues have spiralled out of control since she has been czar. So it’s not like her not visiting method is working either.

Name one thing she has done well while in office.

But she is not, and has never been, the "border czar" - that's an untruthful line of attack.

"In fact, Harris was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. Nor was she involved in overseeing law-enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to the crisis. Her mandate was much narrower: to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in the Northern Triangle of Central America—El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras—which has been racked by decades of poverty, war, chronic violence, and political instability. The strategy relied on allocating billions for economic programs and stimulating private-sector investment in the region in hopes that these programs would ultimately lead fewer migrants to make the dangerous journey north."

https://time.com/7001817/kamala-harris-immigration/

Also, when the Dems did try to pass legislation to tighten up the border, Republicans (who initially seemed supportive) tanked the bill at Trump's request - to help him campaign on the issue.

Kamala Harris Wasn't the ‘Border Czar.’ Here’s What She Did

Harris focused on improving conditions in Central America's Northern Triangle and addressing root causes of migration

https://time.com/7001817/kamala-harris-immigration

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 21:51

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 20:58

I'm minded to agree with her that visiting the border isn't exactly necessary in dealing with the border crisis. It's like asking Farage/Sunak/Braverman "have you been to the coast?" when they're talking about stopping the boats.

And I don't know why you're posting that "Kamala laughs at Ukraine refugees" clip again; it was nonsense the first time you posted it.

What ..like how a doctor can diagnose a patient without physically examining them? Nope.

Of course physically going to the border would be helpful to determine the situation there and ways to address it. And the numbers don’t lie- the border issues have spiralled out of control since she has been czar. So it’s not like her not visiting method is working either.

Name one thing she has done well while in office.

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 20:58

I'm minded to agree with her that visiting the border isn't exactly necessary in dealing with the border crisis. It's like asking Farage/Sunak/Braverman "have you been to the coast?" when they're talking about stopping the boats.

And I don't know why you're posting that "Kamala laughs at Ukraine refugees" clip again; it was nonsense the first time you posted it.

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 20:14

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 19:31

Some examples

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Do you have any better examples? The first link doesn't work.

In the second video, she said "significance of the passage of time" a somewhat jarring number of times in a relatively short period (4 times in a minute). The rest of her speech reads fine, to me.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/remarks-the-vice-president-sunset-louisiana

If thats considered a notable example of a flub by her, I can only assume she's a pretty excellent speaker.

(Not least compared to deranged Donald, who is actually less coherent than Biden - but delivers his nonsense with more strength than Biden could manage).

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 23/07/2024 20:14

Not all MN's are 60 but many of us older ones now have DC that are the new MNers. It is a bit weird and may cause the site to thrive or die. MN has a wide age range, other sites are available.

EasternStandard · 23/07/2024 20:12

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 23/07/2024 19:35

MN is a bit of an old fogey site.
KH is doing just fine on Tiktok.

Her biggest advantage is, she is not going to be an octogenarian president.
The people who were not going to vote, are now going to vote.
Young people like a politician with a sense of humour.
Beyonce + Taylor Swift like her enough to throw a concert.

We no longer live in a boomer dominated world.

Clinton did the celeb thing, maybe those two will be different though

Papyrophile · 23/07/2024 20:07

It would be interesting if MN were to survey the site for age, social class and earnings data, and I am sure they could monetise it big time if they did, but if they were to do so, I would upsticks. And so would a huge number of regular posters who don't come to chat to have their data mined. We come to discuss the issues of the day, sometimes heatedly, ignore the bitchy posters. I could write a list of posters that I encounter regularly, who are interested in the same topics and can be relied upon to have an opinion, which may not be the same as mine, but I read their posts with interest and quite often my instinctive opinion shifts a bit.

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 20:05

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 19:51

I’m not a boomer. I’m 35.
KH’s laughing is not a sense of humour. It’s disrespectful and inappropriate. Especially on the topic of Ukraine.

You would think with the number of advisors and speech writers she has access to - she should be more informed. But she consistently comes across as having not a clue about anything.

Taylor Swift should be not endorsing such a terrible female role model to young girls.

I think that's extremely unfair spin on the laughter at the conference with President Duda.

Duda and Harris briefly laughed when a reporter simultaneously put different questions to each of them, and there was an awkward moment when they weren't sure who should speak first, which caused them both to laugh.

Most of the "outrage" generated in response to that was due to people sharing cropped clips.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/kamala-harris-did-not-laugh-at-question-about-ukraine-and-refugees-idUSL2N2VI1TY/

bitesthedust · 23/07/2024 19:55

Northernparent68 · 22/07/2024 12:04

Yes YABU.

she hasn’t been the victim of racism or misogyny so far, so there’s no reason to suppose that will change.

her record as a DA and politician has been criticized, including by women and that is legitimate and not prejudice.

Have you seen the obscene memes some MAGA men are creating?

BruFord · 23/07/2024 19:55

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 23/07/2024 19:35

MN is a bit of an old fogey site.
KH is doing just fine on Tiktok.

Her biggest advantage is, she is not going to be an octogenarian president.
The people who were not going to vote, are now going to vote.
Young people like a politician with a sense of humour.
Beyonce + Taylor Swift like her enough to throw a concert.

We no longer live in a boomer dominated world.

@NerdWhoEatsMedlar Biden is even older than the Boomer generation!

Do you really think that most MN’ers are over 60 though? All the baby/toddler threads must be medical miracles.

WildLemur · 23/07/2024 19:52

It's nice to see betting odds start to shift. Implied probability of a Trump win has dipped to the high 50%s.

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 19:51

I’m not a boomer. I’m 35.
KH’s laughing is not a sense of humour. It’s disrespectful and inappropriate. Especially on the topic of Ukraine.

You would think with the number of advisors and speech writers she has access to - she should be more informed. But she consistently comes across as having not a clue about anything.

Taylor Swift should be not endorsing such a terrible female role model to young girls.

BruFord · 23/07/2024 19:50

CurlewKate · 23/07/2024 18:54

@BruFord
"To compare to the UK, I wouldn’t be keen to live in Nigel Farage’s constituency, but that doesn’t mean that his views are widely shared throughout the country, does it?"

Well, his views got a worrying number of votes.....

@CurlewKate I know, but my point stands that huge numbers of people in the UK don’t agree with him.

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 23/07/2024 19:35

MN is a bit of an old fogey site.
KH is doing just fine on Tiktok.

Her biggest advantage is, she is not going to be an octogenarian president.
The people who were not going to vote, are now going to vote.
Young people like a politician with a sense of humour.
Beyonce + Taylor Swift like her enough to throw a concert.

We no longer live in a boomer dominated world.

CustardCreams2 · 23/07/2024 19:13

This has nothing to do with racism and misogyny- it comes down to COMPETENCE alone. Kamala Harris is completely out of her depth, totally incompetent and quite frankly a bit thick. She gives women in power a bad name.

Many many examples

  1. When at press conference with polish president- a lengthy question directed to her on USA policy re infrastructure plans for Ukrainian refugees - it’s obvious she hasn’t even understood the question, then looks to polish president to answer for her. Then she starts laughing maniacally and eventually squeaks out “A friend in need is a friend indeed.” Sorry wtf?
  2. She said the USA has a strong and enduring relationship with North Korea. LOL. She clearly had no knowledge on this.
  3. Has achieved nothing of more from her time in office. NOTHING. After being border czar for years has not even bothered to visit the border.
  4. Talks In meaningless “word salads” that make no sense.
  5. She was a terrible prosecutor- putting thousands of people in prison for smoking weed.
  6. Innumerable other examples

The most comprehensive answer I have ever seen her give is on the topic of White House M&M’s. She is in no way fit to be POTUS - solely on the basis of incompetence. Nothing to do with race or gender.

CurlewKate · 23/07/2024 18:54

@BruFord
"To compare to the UK, I wouldn’t be keen to live in Nigel Farage’s constituency, but that doesn’t mean that his views are widely shared throughout the country, does it?"

Well, his views got a worrying number of votes.....

BruFord · 23/07/2024 17:58

SoreAndTired1 · 23/07/2024 16:30

Are you honestly telling me that you don't believe America is misogynist? Really?

Would you like me to list the ways American men can be misogynistic? Maybe just watch JD Vance's speeches, for a start. Then there's Project 25. Then there is their view on abortion. There there is... etc.

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@SoreAndTired1 In an ethnically diverse country of 333 million, I imagine you’d find every imaginable opinion so yes, misogynists certainly exist in the US and yes, their views on abortion, for example, have sadly affected thousands in recent years.

But the US is a collection of states and each state tends to have its own “personality.” I live in a very Blue area and no, misogyny isn’t a major problem here. We have other problems, but that’s not a major one.

To compare to the UK, I wouldn’t be keen to live in Nigel Farage’s constituency, but that doesn’t mean that his views are widely shared throughout the country, does it?

cardibach · 23/07/2024 17:15

SoreAndTired1 · 23/07/2024 13:27

That's strange. They're Middle Eastern or Arabic everywhere else. It would be like calling a Swedish person an African, that's how much sense calling Middle Easterners Asian makes. What would you call actual Asians - ie Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean etc, then?

India is part of Asia. It’s an Asian country. As are Pakistan and Bangladesh. They are in no way ‘Middle Eastern’. And they definitely aren’t ‘Arabic’.

Sausagenbacon · 23/07/2024 17:07

Are you honestly telling me that you don't believe America is misogynist? Really?
there's misogyny everywhere. I've travelled round the States, with no problems. Which is more than I can say about some other places I've been to, like India.

And perhaps you're more aware of misogyny because a) we get a lot of reporting on the USA and b) we speak the same language.

Hillary is an incredibly divisive figure though.
It doesn't help when you call your opponents deplorables.

CurlewKate · 23/07/2024 17:01

Imagine an America which would allow Harris to be President and Buttigieg to be vice president.....💭

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