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To worry for Kamala Harris - woman, half black, half Asian, married to a Jewish man

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Whenwillitgetwarm · 22/07/2024 11:26

I really really hope her and her family have the strongest mental resilience for the racism, misogyny and anti-semitism which will come towards her and them, just for the crime of running for president.

Yes she’s been a bit of a wallflower and we haven’t seen much of her whilst VP but maybe that will change now she’s out on her own. She’s had a successful career as a lawyer and seems nice.

Personally I’m going to avoid listening/watching American politics in the run up to the election as I think I’d be too anxious. Many people seem to treat politics like a football rivalry these days. But if she were to win, it would be so inspiring for so many girls around the world.

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Papyrophile · 28/07/2024 18:12

Kelly is fairly legitimately a hero, married to a victim senator, and a really strong voice for gun control. In hard poitical terms, he does not deliver a big state. He might deliver an even bigger chunk of votes nationally because so many sympathize with his POV. I like what I know of him but I doubt that Democrat strategists are reading the musings of randoms on a UK parenting site.

Countrylife2002 · 28/07/2024 16:30

Papyrophile · 28/07/2024 13:05

Looking at the US press, quite a bit of smart money is riding on Andy Beshear. Between him and Kelly is my guess today.

Kelly is so much more interesting! But it’ll all come down to who polls best in the key states.

UnfriendMe · 28/07/2024 15:11

SonicTheHodgeheg · 22/07/2024 12:27

Yabu

Do all election campaigns make you anxious ?

Maybe you should look into her public profile before assuming that people will be “mean” because she’s a woman of colour. Criticising policy and decisions is fair play and she’s rightly not going to hide behind her identity. Her work should be judged against her predecessors and opponents and I doubt that she wants to be treated with kids gloves because she is a WOC. She will know first hand what campaigning is like and ai doubt that there’s any new criticisms of her that can be used against her because she’s done it before and has probably seen social media

I think that there’s no chance that she will win and that Trump is right to say that Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden.

I think you are wrong. My family still live in America and according to my mom, who is pretty keyed in when it comes to US politics, there has been a resurgence in the Democratic party, people are hopeful again and she's starting to sway the minds of the more level headed Republicans who don't want a convicted felon who is destroying women's rights in office. Also, just imagine if she and trump actually debated? She's a successful prosecutor and he's a bumbling moron who can barely string a coherent sentence together. She would destroy him. Sure, maybe the idiotic trump supporters in the Midwest won't vote for her, but they don't represent the majority in any way. As long as people actually make the effort to vote and there is a good turnout, Harris will win.

StaunchMomma · 28/07/2024 14:54

OneTC · 22/07/2024 12:11

Heard Nigel Farage on LBC this morning saying he didn't think people would vote for a "black African woman"

He's such a fucking revolting specimen, worse than his NF name sakes

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And of course he doesn't even bother to correct his assumption that she originates from Africa.

Despicable old prick.

StaunchMomma · 28/07/2024 14:52

Northernparent68 · 22/07/2024 12:04

Yes YABU.

she hasn’t been the victim of racism or misogyny so far, so there’s no reason to suppose that will change.

her record as a DA and politician has been criticized, including by women and that is legitimate and not prejudice.

Yeah, all those 'miserable old cat lady' comments are just fine 🙄

Papyrophile · 28/07/2024 13:05

Looking at the US press, quite a bit of smart money is riding on Andy Beshear. Between him and Kelly is my guess today.

CustardCreams2 · 28/07/2024 11:54

PerfectYear321 · 28/07/2024 00:24

Wow,that's amazing. The first person in history who gets ahead because they're black and/ or female. And to the highest job in the land?!

Actually ilovemoney is correct. She was a clear diversity hire by Biden. If you look at her time in office she has achieved absolutely nothing. Her record as a prosecutor is poor. She is not a good public speaker, often coming across as clueless, ill-prepared and unintelligent. Which is quite an achievement when you access to numerous advisors and script writers. For people to now vote for her on the sole basis of race/gender would be really sad.

PerfectYear321 · 28/07/2024 00:24

ilovemoney · 22/07/2024 17:17

She’s very mediocre, her sex and race have advantaged her in her career above her capabilities. If she were white and male she just wouldn’t be where she is. She isn’t a good speaker and seems to regularly get her arse handed to her. She can’t keep staff and is rumoured to be a bully. Just saying.

Wow,that's amazing. The first person in history who gets ahead because they're black and/ or female. And to the highest job in the land?!

CJsGoldfish · 28/07/2024 00:14

The VP pick should probably be someone from a swing state. Which would make Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro good candidates.
Andy Beshear has been mentioned and I think he'd be a great pick

BruFord · 27/07/2024 23:49

Just my personal opinion, but getting back to whether Josh Shapiro could be picked as VP. Sadly, I think the Israel-Hamas war is a big factor, as pro-Palestinian support is strong among the younger voters whom KH really needs to keep onside. Think of the recent demos on university campuses, for example.

Given the current charged atmosphere, can she risk picking a VP who could be perceived as being strongly pro-Israel? Even if they have many positive qualities? It’s totally unfair, but the situation in Gaza is a flashpoint right now.

Eggseggslegs · 27/07/2024 23:15

A "wallflower" is a very sexist term with no male equivalent. I'm sure she has the resilience to cope, she has had to all her life. America is obviously a much more racially charged country than the UK unfortunately.

WildLemur · 27/07/2024 21:15

Donald Trump himself has a long history of making anti semetic statements, including calling American Jews ungrateful and disloyal.

And, of course, he is supported by various white supremacist groups.

I can only assume Valeriekat has been living under a rock for the past 10 years or so.

79Helene · 27/07/2024 20:11

Valeriekat · 27/07/2024 20:03

This is a ridiculous thing to say. can you find a single example where Trump's supporters have been anti semitic? I think everyone knows that his daughter and son in law are Jewish.

So do you consider the chant "Jews will not replace us" to be not antisemitic?

knitnerd90 · 27/07/2024 20:05

Good Lord, do you not even remember Charlottesville? There are some truly vile antisemites backing Trump. And as a Jewish woman I am here to tell you, the fact that Ivanka converted doesn't mean Trump himself can't be an antisemite. Quite frankly all the Christian nationalists Trump hangs with are antisemites.

80% of American Jews vote for the Democrats.

Valeriekat · 27/07/2024 20:03

DarkandStormyNightie · 22/07/2024 12:15

If Trump's supporters throw anti semetism at her then they'd do well to remember Trump's daughter Ivanka and SIL are practising Jews. She could easily rally that one back!

I think she should stand proud, no hand wringing about being a black woman. Go all in and lean into her strengths. She's got a good strategic position to leverage against an adjudicated sexual abuser who is a convicted felon looking to take away women's reproductive rights.

Maybe now is the time!

This is a ridiculous thing to say. can you find a single example where Trump's supporters have been anti semitic? I think everyone knows that his daughter and son in law are Jewish.

cardibach · 27/07/2024 11:01

Jarstastic · 27/07/2024 07:20

Not those exact words. He said the democrats won’t get rid of her. (I guess he is saying she is a DEI hire which is a familiar rant). He doesn’t seem to have said anything about whether people would vote for her. Why wouldn’t they they voted for Obama.

calling her African is ridiculous. She is half Tamil Indian from her mother. Her father was from the Caribbean.

She’s dealt with racism all her life. I’m sure her mothers family/community would have been tricky about her father. and I have read when she was growing up the (presumably white) neighbours children weren’t allowed to play with her and younger sister.

Exactly the words ‘African woman’. That’s the bit that’s a problem.

Jarstastic · 27/07/2024 07:20

cardibach · 22/07/2024 15:45

Yes, exactly those words. Look. https://x.com/LBC/status/1815291942214791659

Not those exact words. He said the democrats won’t get rid of her. (I guess he is saying she is a DEI hire which is a familiar rant). He doesn’t seem to have said anything about whether people would vote for her. Why wouldn’t they they voted for Obama.

calling her African is ridiculous. She is half Tamil Indian from her mother. Her father was from the Caribbean.

She’s dealt with racism all her life. I’m sure her mothers family/community would have been tricky about her father. and I have read when she was growing up the (presumably white) neighbours children weren’t allowed to play with her and younger sister.

WildLemur · 26/07/2024 23:01

I agree Kelly is the most likely. It's sobering that Shapiro's ethnicity is likely counting against him, though.

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:49

I would like Gretchen Whitmer best, but I am not deluded enough to think that's a possibility. And nor is any senior Democrat. She's saving her energy for 2028, I think.

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:45

All American hero, in favour of proper gun control. From a European perspective, he looks the business. But Europeans don't have input.

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:36

Josh Shapiro has been on my shortlist of VP candidates, but given Kamala is married to Doug Emhoff, it might look too Jewish, and an all female ticket looks too radical. I like Pete Buttigieg (but female+ gay... I hear the cat calling now). My money is on Kelly.

YankSplaining · 26/07/2024 20:20

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:16

You're quite right @YankSplaining . The technicalities of election procedures are convoluted. But I wouldn't be the person who bets against her as the Dem candidate from on. Who do you suggest as VP?

I’m not exactly sure who, but I think it should be a centrist Democrat who’s been recently (last 10 years) elected in a swing state. Josh Shapiro might be good, but there’s the problem with the recent rise in antisemitism.

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:16

You're quite right @YankSplaining . The technicalities of election procedures are convoluted. But I wouldn't be the person who bets against her as the Dem candidate from on. Who do you suggest as VP?

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:11

And, I do think she can beat Trump. It will be very tight though.

YankSplaining · 26/07/2024 20:11

Papyrophile · 26/07/2024 20:09

The Obamas have endorsed her as the Democrat nominee today, and committed to her campaign. She's the official candidate. I think they did it wrong and they should have had a fierce short sharp contest at the convention, but now it's all about picking the right VP.

Not the official candidate quite yet.

www.npr.org/2024/07/26/g-s1-13338/kamala-harris-joe-biden-dnc-democrat-nominee

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