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To think you shouldn't expect to buy a home on a single salary?

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Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 10:29

Genuinely interested in people's thoughts.

There's no doubt there's a shortage of appropriate housing in the UK, and that prices make home ownership for many people on average salaries.

But I find a lot of reporting about the topic weird- lots of interviews with people who seem to want to buy a property by themselves.

most recent one on BBC but not unique:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo

My husband and I managed to get on the housing ladder a few years ago, early/mid thirties, both full time with a combined income of about 75k at the time, had been saving for about a decade towards deposit, plus a couple of grand from each of our parents to get it over the line. Got in towards the bottom end of the market of the (south eastern) town we live in.

I recognise both of us are quite privileged in lots of ways - having a bit of family support and salaries in the 30ks and 40ks. But there's no way either of us would have been able to ever buy a property by ourselves. But there's 68 million people in this country, surely the expectation can't be that everyone wants to buy a property themselves? And surely that's never been the expectation previously?

Emma Harris wearing glasses and a green floral top against a white wall

Renters face affordability block to buying a home

Renters are four times less likely than current owners to be able to afford a home, research suggests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo

OP posts:
MondayYogurt · 22/07/2024 18:20

Shelter is a human right.
Should property ownership also be made one?

JimNast · 22/07/2024 18:16

The person in the article just wants publicity. Poor little me not able to afford to buy on £50K p.a.

LindorDoubleChoc · 22/07/2024 18:13

My difficulty with the person in the article is them saying they can't buy on a salary of £50,000 in Birmingham. They absolutely could, it would be a flat not a house. I don't see the problem with that as a FTB?

When I was in my late 20s I wanted to buy in London. My salary was £12,000 pa. I joined forces with a single girlfriend who earned a little more than me and we bought a 2 bed flat in a cheap area (two tiny single bedrooms) jointly. I couldn't have done it any other way.

Ponoka7 · 22/07/2024 18:12

Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 13:23

A lot of single homeowners on here seem to be assuming I think they're doing something morally wrong by owning a home - I'm clearly not. Lots of those people also seem to be wishing my marriage to fail - cheers babes.

I would like someone, though, to give an example of a single country on Earth where the economy allows every working adult on an average salary to afford to buy their own home.

And if there is no such country. isn't it weird that that situation is what people are assuming should be possible when they talk about the current housing situation in the UK?

You seem to be missing that a mortgage up north is cheaper than renting. But our earning ability can be lower. So the deposit is the issue. It's ironic that you are in ex social housing. There's a shortage of affordable housing, not housing in general. I think that the solution is to not try to prop up our highstreets and convert the shops to apartments.

Left · 22/07/2024 18:03

What? No of course not.

The whole population of the UK isn’t a homogenous mass that all want the same thing. Not all people want the same or have the same lifestyle. Some people live alone, some as couples, some in family groups or community groups.

I’m confused by your post.

WaitTheNoo · 22/07/2024 17:59

TheYearOfSmallThings · 22/07/2024 10:37

I think a working single person should be able to buy at least a modest one bed flat. I think work should pay enough to live on (not necessarily in luxurious style) and if it doesn't people are justified in asking what is the point.

This with bells on.

What a horrible race to the bottom this country is becoming.

PenguinCounter · 22/07/2024 17:56

IF, I meant to say IF you divorce 🤦🏻‍♀️

feelingalittlehorse · 22/07/2024 17:56

And how did I do it? By working my absolute backside off so I could afford the deposit. And then working a little bit more so I could continue to pay the bills. I’m not just sat in my house all day, crying into my cats, you know…

PenguinCounter · 22/07/2024 17:56

So when you and your husband divorce will you be moving into rented? If (heaven forbid) you became a widow, should you move into rented?

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect to be able to buy a house, regardless of marital status.

feelingalittlehorse · 22/07/2024 17:55

Single, home-owning woman here. So now not only am I a risk to the smug married’s husbands (being the harlot I am, I am obviously out to steal them all), but now I’m also taking a potential property away from the market that could be inhabited by a Happy Couple?

U ok OP? Where would you like me to live? Under a bypass?

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 22/07/2024 17:54

BCBird · 22/07/2024 16:45

Single teacher here. What should I have done waited to see if I.met someone before buying myself?

I expect us single people are expected to join up.

MugPlate · 22/07/2024 17:41

Looking back through the history of the UK, what period was the best time to be a single person purchasing a house?
1990s?

So what were the factors that created that ideal/peak environment, and how can we get them back?

notbelieved · 22/07/2024 17:33

It's much more difficult now- that's why almost half of single parent families are below the poverty line in the UK

For the most part, that is pretty much down to a failure at many different levels to have one parent make a half decent financial contribution towards the upbringing of their children.

speakingofart · 22/07/2024 17:14

I’m single and on a salary higher than your combined salaries - respectfully, why on earth shouldn’t I expect to have bought my house by myself?

And I did it without parental help either. What an odd post!

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 22/07/2024 17:01

Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 10:29

Genuinely interested in people's thoughts.

There's no doubt there's a shortage of appropriate housing in the UK, and that prices make home ownership for many people on average salaries.

But I find a lot of reporting about the topic weird- lots of interviews with people who seem to want to buy a property by themselves.

most recent one on BBC but not unique:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo

My husband and I managed to get on the housing ladder a few years ago, early/mid thirties, both full time with a combined income of about 75k at the time, had been saving for about a decade towards deposit, plus a couple of grand from each of our parents to get it over the line. Got in towards the bottom end of the market of the (south eastern) town we live in.

I recognise both of us are quite privileged in lots of ways - having a bit of family support and salaries in the 30ks and 40ks. But there's no way either of us would have been able to ever buy a property by ourselves. But there's 68 million people in this country, surely the expectation can't be that everyone wants to buy a property themselves? And surely that's never been the expectation previously?

I'm single and according to you shouldn't be allowed to own my own home?! How selfish and what a way to make single people lower than those in a couple.

I'm separated, I've owned property since I was 30 and when I sold the house I owned with my ex of course I wanted to get back on the property ladder as soon as possible.

AhBiscuits · 22/07/2024 16:57

My DH already owned a house on his own when we met 10 years ago. It just took a lot of hardwork and inheriting 100k from his grandfather.

BCBird · 22/07/2024 16:45

Single teacher here. What should I have done waited to see if I.met someone before buying myself?

GettingStuffed · 22/07/2024 16:40

When I met DH I was single and looking for a property. I was in the civil service and got paid a decent income to get a mortgage. At the time you got a max offer of 3,x income if you were single or 3,x main income plus 1x second income.

Obviously this no longer happens and it's a pity.

londonmummy1966 · 22/07/2024 16:38

surely the expectation can't be that everyone wants to buy a property themselves? And surely that's never been the expectation previously?

Actually the expectation has always been that a home should be affordable (rented or bought) on a single salary. Until we got reliable contraception as soon as a couple got married there was a risk that they'd have a child and normally that meant that the wife left the workforce and the husband's wage was meant to provide for the whole family. Its why my in my parent's generation a mortgage offer was calculated on a multiple of DFs salary alone. Longer ago than that women were usually expected (and sometimes legally required) to give up work on marriage - a friend of mine has kept her letter from the Foreign Office telling her that she would no longer have to resign if she got married and that was dated 1973....

It makes sense for homes to be affordable on a single wage - divorce, prohibitive childcare costs, bereavement, end of "job for life" security in the workforce. What happens if someone never meets a significant other - are they supposed to never have a home of their own?

The actual outlier is the recent change in the housing market - not enough affordable rental accomodation and a relatively recent change in lending criteria allowing people to borrow a multiple of 2 salaries fuelling a massive increase in house prices. Created a perfect storm.

Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 22/07/2024 16:36

So..if you’re single you can’t expect to have anywhere to live? Have I missed something? Honestly confused.

AllyCart · 22/07/2024 16:25

Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 13:23

A lot of single homeowners on here seem to be assuming I think they're doing something morally wrong by owning a home - I'm clearly not. Lots of those people also seem to be wishing my marriage to fail - cheers babes.

I would like someone, though, to give an example of a single country on Earth where the economy allows every working adult on an average salary to afford to buy their own home.

And if there is no such country. isn't it weird that that situation is what people are assuming should be possible when they talk about the current housing situation in the UK?

You would like someone to give an example... but you started the thread, so perhaps you could look for any examples needed?

Anyway, this puts the UK home ownership stats at nowhere near the top and indeed below the EU on average.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rate

Home Ownership Rate - Countries - List

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Home Ownership Rate.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rate

Cavalierchaos · 22/07/2024 16:24

I bought my two bed terrace myself 5 years ago. I was only on about 25k.

AhBiscuits · 22/07/2024 16:22

Of course the BBC found a transactivist to be the focus of the story. She probably doesn't even want to buy a house, just wants to be on TV.

Lilacapples · 22/07/2024 16:21

Corrag · 22/07/2024 13:52

Well unless your daughter is disabled, she's now breaking two MN housing rules. There was a thread a while back that stated only disabled people should be allowed to buy bungalows.

Single and able-bodied? How dare she?!

Oh dear 😱. I’ll be sure to let her know 😬

XenoBitch · 22/07/2024 16:18

YABVU
Who do you think should be allowed to buy tiny studio flats? Just couples and families?
A single salary should be enough to buy property. And in some areas that will be a tiny studio, in others it could be a 3 bed house.
The thing is that now, a single average salary is not enough to live on, let alone buy property.

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