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To think you shouldn't expect to buy a home on a single salary?

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Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 10:29

Genuinely interested in people's thoughts.

There's no doubt there's a shortage of appropriate housing in the UK, and that prices make home ownership for many people on average salaries.

But I find a lot of reporting about the topic weird- lots of interviews with people who seem to want to buy a property by themselves.

most recent one on BBC but not unique:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo

My husband and I managed to get on the housing ladder a few years ago, early/mid thirties, both full time with a combined income of about 75k at the time, had been saving for about a decade towards deposit, plus a couple of grand from each of our parents to get it over the line. Got in towards the bottom end of the market of the (south eastern) town we live in.

I recognise both of us are quite privileged in lots of ways - having a bit of family support and salaries in the 30ks and 40ks. But there's no way either of us would have been able to ever buy a property by ourselves. But there's 68 million people in this country, surely the expectation can't be that everyone wants to buy a property themselves? And surely that's never been the expectation previously?

Emma Harris wearing glasses and a green floral top against a white wall

Renters face affordability block to buying a home

Renters are four times less likely than current owners to be able to afford a home, research suggests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7209lk8x2wo

OP posts:
TrixieMixie · 23/07/2024 22:30

What a load of rubbish. I’m married but I earn loads, I have lots of money and could easily buy a house if I were single. Why shouldn’t single people be homeowners?

Vizella · 23/07/2024 22:26

TheSpaceLaser · 23/07/2024 21:23

What are you trying to say?

That he’s a man.

Hurlingnovice · 23/07/2024 22:06

TheHateIsNotGood · 23/07/2024 21:51

So, as no one as yet has corrected me on my maths, despite being invited to do so.

Let's say our single person lives in Swansea and works at Tata Steel. And will likely have no job soon, along with a few thousand other people. Possible tits up situation. Or they live in Hull as a Social Care Assistant and GM left a just enough for a deposit on a little run down terrace, unfortunately our SCA fell over and can't work so much now but the mortgage payments have gone up, along with everything else but our SCA can't work enough to keep up.

Bubbles......bubbles in the air.....or here..

Insurance. The same as any home owner.

BrightYellowStar · 23/07/2024 22:04

Ludicrous POV.

I left my husband and bought a house on my own. Are you saying I should not have done this on my single salary?

What would you recommend? I find a man in order to get a mortgage? I move back with my parents? Either of which would be madness!

TheHateIsNotGood · 23/07/2024 21:51

So, as no one as yet has corrected me on my maths, despite being invited to do so.

Let's say our single person lives in Swansea and works at Tata Steel. And will likely have no job soon, along with a few thousand other people. Possible tits up situation. Or they live in Hull as a Social Care Assistant and GM left a just enough for a deposit on a little run down terrace, unfortunately our SCA fell over and can't work so much now but the mortgage payments have gone up, along with everything else but our SCA can't work enough to keep up.

Bubbles......bubbles in the air.....or here..

HauntedBungalow · 23/07/2024 21:37

Yanbu. Single people shouldn't expect to have luxuries like homes and shit like that. They should be on the streets until they see the error of their ways and get married.

Kay36 · 23/07/2024 21:37

Ridiculous! I’m 36 and single, own my own 2 bed house, which I’ve worked for and also saved for entirely MYSELF …. What an ignorant thing to even post !

AndF · 23/07/2024 21:33

This appalling post reeks of comfort and privilege. The phrase "having a bit of family support" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, and supports nonsense such as "...everyone expects..."
No, everyone does not "expect" but a good number of people who through no fault of their own are single do need the protection and comfort of their own home. This country's housing market is rigged in favour of couples - and I say that as a single parent who has suffered disappointment after disappointment in trying to buy (yes, with realistic expectations, before the privileged all pile-on after a glass or two of Nectar Points wine).

HolyPeaches · 23/07/2024 21:32

Fivebedexecutivehome · 22/07/2024 21:09

The people who accused me of homophobia, or the ones who've repeatedly wished my husband should walk out on me or even die? Those people?

Grow up😂They’re not wishing him dead or to walk out on you FFS. They’re saying hypothetically if that was to happen and you found yourself single, would you still have the same mindset?

StupendousConfectionary · 23/07/2024 21:27

@Fivebedexecutivehome I recognise both of us are quite privileged in lots of ways

That’s great. But surely you can also recognise that a lot of people in the UK aren’t as privileged?

CandyLeBonBon · 23/07/2024 21:24

Jazzabel · 23/07/2024 21:09

The problem is this lady should be able to afford to buy a house on her own on the salary she’s on. It’s not the house prices or mortgage payments that she can’t afford. On paper she can, and her argument is that she is proving this each month by keeping up her rental payments, which are most likely more than her mortgage payments would be, even if she were to take out a 100% mortgage. She earns more than I do, but I own my own house, only because I had parents who gifted me the deposit. So I can see why she finds it unfair.

He.

TheSpaceLaser · 23/07/2024 21:23

Vizella · 23/07/2024 21:21

Is it me or is that ‘woman’ in this BBC article just so dainty and feminine… not!

What are you trying to say?

Vizella · 23/07/2024 21:21

Is it me or is that ‘woman’ in this BBC article just so dainty and feminine… not!

Doyoumind · 23/07/2024 21:19

NC or new account for this post? I rather think OP was just looking to promote this news story with a 'controversial' POV.

Bigbobalady · 23/07/2024 21:13

I bought my house 10 years ago on a 20k salary, it’s totally doable! Obviously it depends on where you live of course, I live in Newcastle and properties tend to be a lot cheaper up here!

Jazzabel · 23/07/2024 21:09

The problem is this lady should be able to afford to buy a house on her own on the salary she’s on. It’s not the house prices or mortgage payments that she can’t afford. On paper she can, and her argument is that she is proving this each month by keeping up her rental payments, which are most likely more than her mortgage payments would be, even if she were to take out a 100% mortgage. She earns more than I do, but I own my own house, only because I had parents who gifted me the deposit. So I can see why she finds it unfair.

TheSpaceLaser · 23/07/2024 21:06

Haven’t read the thread but the basic premise seems so creepy and regressive.

whoputallofthatthere · 23/07/2024 21:04

This post is bizarre frankly. Of course no one is saying that every single person in the country should own their own property, the point is that the world doesn't revolve around couples and people who do not have a partner, for whatever reason are also entitled to find somewhere to live.
Rent is ridiculously expensive because of the high demand so it's not like there's an easy solution either in a lot of cases. Can't afford to rent and can't afford to buy.
I am single and have struggled to find someone to share my life with due to personal issues and a disability. I'm hopeful I will meet someone eventually but what if I don't? I'm supposed to house share in to old age?
Due to the aforementioned issues I am also struggling to boost my salary and do not earn a good wage. I am apparently not "disabled enough" to qualify for government help despite having a serious condition. I am genuinely terrified about my future and where I am going to live/what I am going to do.
Sorry OP, I'm sure you meant well enough but this has just rubbed me wrong!

Grammarnut · 23/07/2024 21:01

I have never done anything else but use one salary. Not to do so leaves you with few options when you have children or if one partner loses their job. Cut your coat according to your cloth if you intend having children.

Rockhopper81 · 23/07/2024 20:41

I think I know what you were trying to say OP, but I think you've worded it a bit clumsily, and are also coming from slightly the wrong angle.

The cultural 'norm' in Britain is for people to purchase (via mortgage) their own home once they are in an established career. In a lot of mainland Europe that simply isn't true - owning is the minority compare to renting, which is the cultural norm there - but the fact remains that buying here is what we, either overtly or subliminally, believe to be part of adult life.

I suspect your post was reflecting on the inequality between salaries and housing prices? Because yes, it is now much more difficult to afford a mortgage on a single salary, so you wonder why people think they should be able to - but the fact remains that, considering our cultural 'norm', single people should be able to afford a one bedroom flat on their income alone.

The comparison with 50/60 years ago and people only expecting to buy a house when in a couple of pointless - more people tended to marry much younger, and then there was only one income because mothers stayed at home with the children (although not always the case: my grandparents were always social housing tenants, both worked - including two jobs each at one point to make finances work). So they were still single income households, albeit housing however many individuals.

There is a massive disparity between income levels and housing costs in this country, and quite often people are paying more to rent than they would with a mortgage, but can't get a mortgage because of their annual salary...it's a viscous circle. Plus, there is the uncertainty with renting - the only secure tenancies are social housing of some form, and they are comparatively few.

Everybody deserves affordable, secure housing - whether it's rented or bought, there needs to be enough homes for people to live in. And for a lot of people, that looks like buying not renting. Single people shouldn't be at a detriment because of their single status.

(I could be way off, and you were actually just trying to provoke an argument, and you genuinely believe single people should resign themselves to house shares/bedsits/studios until they die)

DontKeepScratchingIt · 23/07/2024 20:37

We got our mortgage just on my husband's income - I was a SAHM. Our daughter got hers alone. (No, we didn't help her financially as we hadn't got the spare money)

Redlarge · 23/07/2024 20:36

You buy in a less desirable area and a less desirable house. That's what I did.

TheHateIsNotGood · 23/07/2024 20:35

I believe the original OP said "expect". And it is that word that I agree with. Tbh if I was such an high-flying-super-solo-earner as so many here aver, I'd be spending my down time relaxing with a massage rather than reiterating my existence by posting on MN.

Each to their own.

Opalfleur2026 · 23/07/2024 20:29

1offnamechange · 23/07/2024 19:21

those statistics are far from definitive, and, tbh, don't make much sense. They are based on the premise that:
"Millions of Britons are living in areas where they are unable to either buy or rent a mid-priced property."
key there is MID PRICED
in order to have a mid price there must be approximately 50% of properties below that price
Which presumably those people can afford.
Otherwise if all housing was out of budget for millions of people then we would have millions of homeless people. Which we don't. Overcrowded in some areas, yes. But also underoccupied in many others.

Many single people will be those living in places below the average price - because by the very nature of living alone you don't need as much space, and smaller homes are generally cheaper (comparing like for like, not a 3 bed detached in Hull to a 2 bed flat in Knightsbridge).

That chart works out affordability by cost of housing x income and says you can only afford to buy if 90% of your house = between 2.5 and 4.5 of your income.

Well, I couldn't have afforded my house on my income by that criteria - but I did manage to, by saving up for more than a 10% deposit.

It also says that if the cost of your house is more than 4.5x your salary you can't afford to buy but can afford to rent. However the house next door to me (identical to mine) just got rented out to a new occupier for more than 3 times my mortgage. So even with just a 10% deposit buying would be much more affordable.

It compares a household on median income as to price of a median home in the area. Like for like I suppose.

Hmm1234 · 23/07/2024 20:27

So you think people should just shack up with a partner to be able to afford to buy a decent size home.

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